MCGUIZZY
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Location: Bay Area, CA Joined: 06.20.2012
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Vegas just got a guy like Marchessault, who's worlds better than Kane, for free.
There are value wingers every year had for almost nothing, that produce like Kane does.
Kane had a great first 15 games. Since has been an average 2nd liner
Edit - Worlds better is harsh. He's better though - sbroads24
Wasnt he acquired in the expansion draft? |
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Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Lockport, NY Joined: 12.09.2012
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Please provide examples - MCGUIZZY
Again I dont know who is actually going to be available but off the top of my head guys like stastny, zucker and bailey are scoring goals 5v5 at a similar rate as kane. |
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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Vegas just got a guy like Marchessault, who's worlds better than Kane, for free.
There are value wingers every year had for almost nothing, that produce like Kane does.
Kane had a great first 15 games. Since has been an average 2nd liner
Edit - Worlds better is harsh. He's better though - sbroads24
Then why didn’t we sign one this year?
Why not last year?
How about the year before?
The Marchessaults of the league are few & far between |
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GERBE!!!75PTS
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Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA Joined: 02.11.2009
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We're going to draft Ryan Murray 2.0 and miss on Lindholm or Trouba - Wetbandit1
He’s a can’t miss prospect I don’t see anyway he’s a bust
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sbroads24
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Wasnt he acquired in the expansion draft? - MCGUIZZY
He was literally given to them, after scoring 30 goals, so vegas would take on a bad contract in Reilly Smith |
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Sabresfan-365
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Location: Lockport, NY Joined: 12.09.2012
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Then why didn’t we sign one this year?
Why not last year?
How about the year before?
The Marchessaults of the league are few & far between - jdfitz77
we did. Benoit and Kane aren't that far off in 5v5 goals and benoit isnt even that good |
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MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Bay Area, CA Joined: 06.20.2012
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Jason Pominville has 11 goals, has played a ton less than Kane in terms of minutes. Pouliot has 8 goals. Both those players we aren't hitched to long term.
You can find goal scoring wingers. It's not hard. - sbroads24
Are you really going to say we are in better shape with Pominville and pouliot on the wings instead of kane? |
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jdfitz77
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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Wasnt he acquired in the expansion draft? - MCGUIZZY
Correct
He’d cost 5mil at least if he was UFA
I know he didn’t when Florida signed him,
but he’s the exception
Most “value” guys turn out like Pouliot
Good value, sure
But not 25+ goals |
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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Again I dont know who is actually going to be available but off the top of my head guys like stastny, zucker and bailey are scoring goals 5v5 at a similar rate as kane. - Sabresfan-365
And who of them are we signing for 1/5 of what Kane would cost?! |
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Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Lockport, NY Joined: 12.09.2012
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Correct
He’d cost 5mil at least if he was UFA
I know he didn’t when Florida signed him,
but he’s the exception
Most “value” guys turn out like Pouliot
Good value, sure
But not 25+ goals - jdfitz77
is kane even on pace for that without eichel? |
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Sabresfan-365
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Location: Lockport, NY Joined: 12.09.2012
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And who of them are we signing for 1/5 of what Kane would cost?! - jdfitz77
I don't know, its not july 1 and im not a soothsayer lol. Im just saying id rather go that route short term then pay kane money he clearly doesnt deserve |
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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we did. Benoit and Kane aren't that far off in 5v5 goals and benoit isnt even that good - Sabresfan-365
Why is “5v5” the standard of comparison here?
Comparing any players 5v5 will make it look closer, bc there’s less 5v5 goals scored
If Pouliot was on the PP,
He’s not scoring 25+ goals
And wasn’t Kane one of the best 5v5 guys last year? |
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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He was literally given to them, after scoring 30 goals, so vegas would take on a bad contract in Reilly Smith - sbroads24
That doesn’t mean we can sign a guy like that for 2mil though |
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MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Bay Area, CA Joined: 06.20.2012
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He was literally given to them, after scoring 30 goals, so vegas would take on a bad contract in Reilly Smith - sbroads24
Ok so its not like getting a guy like him "for free" is really a realistic option for the Sabres. The expansion draft was a rare event and rare things happened |
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Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Lockport, NY Joined: 12.09.2012
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Why is “5v5” the standard of comparison here?
Comparing any players 5v5 will make it look closer, bc there’s less 5v5 goals scored
If Pouliot was on the PP,
He’s not scoring 25+ goals
And wasn’t Kane one of the best 5v5 guys last year? - jdfitz77
See what you just did there? and kane has 2 powerplay goals. two.
It's also the standard of comparison because special teams fluctuate all the time (just look at last years pp with this years) the common theme among high end teams is there play 5v5. |
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sbroads24
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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Are you really going to say we are in better shape with Pominville and pouliot on the wings instead of kane? - MCGUIZZY
We have all 3 and are the worst team in hockey.
Like 365 said, the difference Kane makes is minimal at best.
Improve the defense and the scoring will be just fine with Eichel and ROR down the middle.
Get a competent 3rd line center so they can reduce ROR's minutes |
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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is kane even on pace for that without eichel? - Sabresfan-365
He did it last year when he wasn’t playing with Eichel
So I’d say yes
The “Eichel” boost this year seems to be with Kane’s assists, not his goals |
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jdfitz77
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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I don't know, its not july 1 and im not a soothsayer lol. Im just saying id rather go that route short term then pay kane money he clearly doesnt deserve - Sabresfan-365
Well you’re the one who said we can replace Kane at a guy 1/5 his salary
So I’ll make it easier since you’re not a soothsayer...
who THIS SEASON makes under 2mil from a UFA contract who’s on pace for 25goals? |
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Sabresfan-365
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Location: Lockport, NY Joined: 12.09.2012
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We have all 3 and are the worst team in hockey.
Like 365 said, the difference Kane makes is minimal at best.
Improve the defense and the scoring will be just fine with Eichel and ROR down the middle.
Get a competent 3rd line center so they can reduce ROR's minutes - sbroads24
This started off as an attempt to be optimistic about the teams future despite kanes impending departure. Maybe I am the wet blanket |
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MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Bay Area, CA Joined: 06.20.2012
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We have all 3 and are the worst team in hockey.
Like 365 said, the difference Kane makes is minimal at best.
Improve the defense and the scoring will be just fine with Eichel and ROR down the middle.
Get a competent 3rd line center so they can reduce ROR's minutes - sbroads24
We will soon find out. But i think you can tell that i disagree |
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sbroads24
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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We will soon find out. But i think you can tell that i disagree - MCGUIZZY
He's missed significant time in each of the past two years.
I don't remember us being much different, at all without him |
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Sabresfan-365
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Location: Lockport, NY Joined: 12.09.2012
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Well you’re the one who said we can replace Kane at a guy 1/5 his salary
So I’ll make it easier since you’re not a soothsayer...
who THIS SEASON makes under 2mil from a UFA contract who’s on pace for 25goals? - jdfitz77
in all situations? i have no idea. But taking a quick look i notice derek ryan has 7 5v5 goals to kane's 8. he signed for just under 1.5 mil
Edit: i forget when byron signed but he has more 5v5 goals than kane |
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MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Bay Area, CA Joined: 06.20.2012
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This started off as an attempt to be optimistic about the teams future despite kanes impending departure. Maybe I am the wet blanket - Sabresfan-365
Bottom line is we will need to fill at least 2 top six winger spots next season. And i would even say 3 if we want to do better than Okposo or Reinhart at RW |
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BeadyEyedDouche
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Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto Joined: 07.01.2016
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What what about guys like Moulson, etc?
Obviously the 5 year deal helped him keep getting paid - jdfitz77
it also killed his career
if he was a Lee Stempniak-type, he'd still beon an NHL roster. Making less, but still in the NHL. |
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: buffalo, NY Joined: 05.21.2007
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See what you just did there? and kane has 2 powerplay goals. two.
It's also the standard of comparison because special teams fluctuate all the time (just look at last years pp with this years) the common theme among high end teams is there play 5v5. - Sabresfan-365
So then Kane is on pace for upper 20s in 5v5 goals
And Pouliot is on pace for about 15
That’s a significant difference imo
And how many goals does Pouliot have when he’s on the 3rd line where he belongs?
Just about all his scoring happened when he was playing with ROR, right?
If u wanna day Kane will cost too much...
then fine
That’s an arguable stance
U can’t keep saying we can “easily replace him” though
Bc a Pouliot type signing is CLEARLY a big step down from Evander |
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