Last 4 games have been worth watching. But we'd still be in line for a top draft pick if it weren't for Hamonic.

And then there's the PP. Came across this tweet (from 2016) today:


- itwasin

Fixed that for you.

Fixed that for you.
- fry

I really appreciate your help....knowing what a busy guy you are and all.

Enough with the Brouwer bashing. That line has looked good since Brouwer was put on it. Judging Brouwer by the scoring chances he's generating doesn't make any sense because that's not why he's on the ice. He knows where to go on the ice and plays well away from the puck. Those are things that are really hard to quantify statistically or really notice when watching on TV.

He's also been winning a bunch of battles along the boards and has made numerous good decisions in the neutral zone to keep the rush going. It can work well when you have a grinder playing with skilled players because it opens the ice up for them. Brouwer may not be generating the chances, but Tkachuk has looked great the last few games. It's been nothing like last year where any chance of success died as soon as the puck got within 5 feet of Brouwer.

The fourth line has also looked better than it has all season with Mangiapane on it. Why go back to having 3 grinders doing nothing on the fourth line. If anything, they should be keeping the lines as they are but upping the ice time they're giving the fourth.

If we need something to complain about, I think it's about time to trade Brodie. It's almost at the point where it might be addition by subtraction since it'll open up a spot for someone like Andersson to join the team.
- Hunkulese

Some good points but why Brodie? Trade Stone for a top six forward on an expiring contract, bring up Anderson. Decide at the end of the year who gets resigned! I'd take a chance on Kane out of Buffalo, he'd be an upgrade in our top 6 for the playoff push. He might be a douche but he's big, fast,and scores goal.

I really appreciate your help....knowing what a busy guy you are and all.


- itwasin

I'm compelled to remind fellow Flames fans we have no 1st whenever it's appropriate.

Some good points but why Brodie? Trade Stone for a top six forward on an expiring contract, bring up Anderson. Decide at the end of the year who gets resigned! I'd take a chance on Kane out of Buffalo, he'd be an upgrade in our top 6 for the playoff push. He might be a douche but he's big, fast,and scores goal.
- K-man25

I honestly think the Flames would be better with Stone and Hamonic on the second pairing than Brodie. Brodie has a ton of skill but he continually makes bad decisions. I don't think the positives have outweighed the negatives for the last year and a half, and I don't see anything changing with him.

I've also come around on Hamilton. He can really do everything Brodie can do but better and you don't really need two defencemen like that on your team at the same time.

The value they could get for Brodie is probably still pretty high, but even if they just got back the same picks they gave up for Hamonic, I'd be happy.

I'm compelled to remind fellow Flames fans we have no 1st whenever it's appropriate.
- fry

I honestly think the Flames would be better with Stone and Hamonic on the second pairing than Brodie. Brodie has a ton of skill but he continually makes bad decisions. I don't think the positives have outweighed the negatives for the last year and a half, and I don't see anything changing with him.

I've also come around on Hamilton. He can really do everything Brodie can do but better and you don't really need two defencemen like that on your team at the same time.

The value they could get for Brodie is probably still pretty high, but even if they just got back the same picks they gave up for Hamonic, I'd be happy.
- Hunkulese

I agree with Hunk in every regard in this thread. Brouwer's been much better than given credit for and Stone has been a better defenseman than Brodie this season. Before the season started, I was against trading Brodie altogether. Now? After watching him play for half a season? I'm open to it, especially after seeing a bit of Rass earlier this season. Brodie's a piece that should be able to get us some solid assets in return, and we have the defensive depth to be able to afford to trade him out should we find the right pieces. I'm not saying give the guy away, I'm just saying he's the player that makes the most sense for us to move right now.

As for our Powerplay, why not try Stone on it? The guy can shoot and he's a right hand shot. It's not like it can get much worse.

I agree with Hunk in every regard in this thread. Brouwer's been much better than given credit for and Stone has been a better defenseman than Brodie this season. Before the season started, I was against trading Brodie altogether. Now? After watching him play for half a season? I'm open to it, especially after seeing a bit of Rass earlier this season. Brodie's a piece that should be able to get us some solid assets in return, and we have the defensive depth to be able to afford to trade him out should we find the right pieces. I'm not saying give the guy away, I'm just saying he's the player that makes the most sense for us to move right now.

As for our Powerplay, why not try Stone on it? The guy can shoot and he's a right hand shot. It's not like it can get much worse.
- Helios

First GG's gotta unleash Hamilton, baby steps!

I'm compelled to remind fellow Flames fans we have no 1st whenever it's appropriate.
- fry

Yeah that's gonna hurt



Eventually!

Yeah that's gonna hurt



Eventually!
- K-man25

The Flames don't need more prospects....the chances are that whoever is drafted with that pick will most likely not become as effective of an NHLer than Hamonic is. But the most importantly the Flames needed someone on the back end that can play now, not in 3-4 years. They have enough of those guys already. All that being said I wouldn't be surprised to see one of our D prospects gone by the TDL for some help out front.

It sucks that Brodie has become the whipping boy...I don't really think that's fair. Hamilton gets a free ride playing with Gio, if he's so good why don't they put him with Hamonic and shelter Brodie?

I agree with Hunk in every regard in this thread. Brouwer's been much better than given credit for and Stone has been a better defenseman than Brodie this season. Before the season started, I was against trading Brodie altogether. Now? After watching him play for half a season? I'm open to it, especially after seeing a bit of Rass earlier this season. Brodie's a piece that should be able to get us some solid assets in return, and we have the defensive depth to be able to afford to trade him out should we find the right pieces. I'm not saying give the guy away, I'm just saying he's the player that makes the most sense for us to move right now.

As for our Powerplay, why not try Stone on it? The guy can shoot and he's a right hand shot. It's not like it can get much worse.
- Helios

Let's get this straight they take a right defenceman (Brodie) and move him to the left side because of the way he holds his stick. This reduces his effectiveness because for some reason he turns better to his right. They change the system to limit defensemen scoring and accentuate defensive play ignoring the fact that Brodie is a great skater and puck handler. So confronted with an misapplied and under-performing asset the solution is to trade that asset at the reduced value.
Then ignoring the fact that they have a perfectly good left defenseman in Stockton (Wotherspoon) the solution is to move a right shooting defenseman to the left side and bring up another right shooting defenseman.
What would cause anyone to believe that Hamonic or Stone is more capable of making the change to left defense than Brodie?
Right defensemen are more valuable than left because of scarcity.
A rational team would look at the the Flames assets and:
Move Brodie back to the right side where he had success, bring up Wotherspoon to fill Brodie's vacated spot, bring up Anderson to play the right side with either Kulak or Wotherspoon and trade Hamonic and Stone for a combination of scoring and draft picks.
If the reports from Stockton are accurate Wotherspoon is NHL ready, if he does not get a look this year he will be gone at the end of the season.
At this point it would look like Fox is fifth on the right side depth chart unless Brodie is in the mix then he becomes sixth. Faced with the prospect of not playing in the NHL until 2020-21 he will not sign a contract and they will lose an asset for nothing.
Time to clean up the logjam on the right side and not by trading Brodie.

Let's get this straight they take a right defenceman (Brodie) and move him to the left side because of the way he holds his stick. This reduces his effectiveness because for some reason he turns better to his right. They change the system to limit defensemen scoring and accentuate defensive play ignoring the fact that Brodie is a great skater and puck handler. So confronted with an misapplied and under-performing asset the solution is to trade that asset at the reduced value.
Then ignoring the fact that they have a perfectly good left defenseman in Stockton (Wotherspoon) the solution is to move a right shooting defenseman to the left side and bring up another right shooting defenseman.
What would cause anyone to believe that Hamonic or Stone is more capable of making the change to left defense than Brodie?
Right defensemen are more valuable than left because of scarcity.
A rational team would look at the the Flames assets and:
Move Brodie back to the right side where he had success, bring up Wotherspoon to fill Brodie's vacated spot, bring up Anderson to play the right side with either Kulak or Wotherspoon and trade Hamonic and Stone for a combination of scoring and draft picks.
If the reports from Stockton are accurate Wotherspoon is NHL ready, if he does not get a look this year he will be gone at the end of the season.
At this point it would look like Fox is fifth on the right side depth chart unless Brodie is in the mix then he becomes sixth. Faced with the prospect of not playing in the NHL until 2020-21 he will not sign a contract and they will lose an asset for nothing.
Time to clean up the logjam on the right side and not by trading Brodie.
- Chucky

Anyone keeping up with Stockton? How are Foo and Schilington coming along?

Let's get this straight they take a right defenceman (Brodie) and move him to the left side because of the way he holds his stick. This reduces his effectiveness because for some reason he turns better to his right. They change the system to limit defensemen scoring and accentuate defensive play ignoring the fact that Brodie is a great skater and puck handler. So confronted with an misapplied and under-performing asset the solution is to trade that asset at the reduced value.
Then ignoring the fact that they have a perfectly good left defenseman in Stockton (Wotherspoon) the solution is to move a right shooting defenseman to the left side and bring up another right shooting defenseman.
What would cause anyone to believe that Hamonic or Stone is more capable of making the change to left defense than Brodie?
Right defensemen are more valuable than left because of scarcity.
A rational team would look at the the Flames assets and:
Move Brodie back to the right side where he had success, bring up Wotherspoon to fill Brodie's vacated spot, bring up Anderson to play the right side with either Kulak or Wotherspoon and trade Hamonic and Stone for a combination of scoring and draft picks.
If the reports from Stockton are accurate Wotherspoon is NHL ready, if he does not get a look this year he will be gone at the end of the season.
At this point it would look like Fox is fifth on the right side depth chart unless Brodie is in the mix then he becomes sixth. Faced with the prospect of not playing in the NHL until 2020-21 he will not sign a contract and they will lose an asset for nothing.
Time to clean up the logjam on the right side and not by trading Brodie.
- Chucky

Trade Hamonic??? Hahaha, you on the bud, bud? Not going to happen, they just traded FOR him.

The D prospects will be the ones to go.