Just a week ago guys like Darren Dreger were reporting that Stan liked his team and was going to stand pat on make on trade... then Duclair trade happens.

I also believe there something has to give with their defense. I would expect to see Gustafsson get some game action soon to see where he's at with his game at the pro level.

Either way, it sounds like Kempny is the odd man out. They haven't requested a trade per se, but would very much like an opportunity elsewhere.

Things can change very quickly from the "we like our team" line. Because Stan won't want to "like" his team out of the playoffs.
- Justin Lowe

Yeah, it's almost at the level of a truism - the minute StanBo says that, you can expect a trade soon. That's why I giggle.

Severson is a stud and NJ just signed him long-term. Don't see it.

However, remember I was saying Stan was searching for those "hockey trades" and not just for this year, but for the longer-term... this Panik for Duclair deal is exactly that.
- Justin Lowe

Severson has been a healthy scratch a couple times this season. Maybe NJ isn't so high on him?

Hartman and Kempny for Severson and a 4th (with some slight adjustment for the cap).
- DarthKane

Maybe eventually either Forsling or Ruuta will hold down one spot. The other gets traded. It depends a great deal how well dmen can do what the Blackhawks want their dmen to be able to do. This is the playing at speed thing which I will explain in a post later today.

Severson....
I trust you know more about him than I do. NJ will not make any dumb trades, but a fair trade could happen. Virtanen I Don't think is developing properly and is not that good anyway. Being out west you know about him. Additional thought on trades: would be helpful to get a good look at both Highmore and Sinkula so that we can try to figure how good and how they might fit here. Fortin is injured and probably a wash this season. He needs to show well next year and then he gets a look.

AZ is in a unique situation to take on Panik. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, if he gets hot between now and the TDL, they can flip him again. It might be easier for them to move him, because they can offer to retain salary. For AZ, all it cost was an expiring contract that they couldn't wait to be done with. I don't know what other offers they had for Duclair. Probably nothing exciting if they made this deal. And potentially, they can get some kind of package if Panik catches an uptick before his contract expires. The other feature with Panik is that he helps keep the Yotes above the salary floor, particularly if they are going to make some TDL moves and he doesn't get moved.
- 333inthe3rd

Is there a limit to how much a team can retain on a player? I believe 50%?

Also, is there a limit to how many players a team can retain salary on at any one time? i doubt the league would allow you to trade half the team and retain salary on 10 players at the same time?

Just a week ago guys like Darren Dreger were reporting that Stan liked his team and was going to stand pat on make on trade... then Duclair trade happens.

I also believe there something has to give with their defense. I would expect to see Gustafsson get some game action soon to see where he's at with his game at the pro level.

Either way, it sounds like Kempny is the odd man out. They haven't requested a trade per se, but would very much like an opportunity elsewhere.

Things can change very quickly from the "we like our team" line. Because Stan won't want to "like" his team out of the playoffs.
- Justin Lowe

Something is going to change on that backend, somebody is going elsewhere and soon. Gustaffson isn't up as a reward - he's either going to play to stay or be showcased.

And thinking about it further, Stanbo trades #4 to Arizona for Murphy and he's healthy scratched some nights, plays his offside another and then gets under 8 minutes last night. He's shown improvement but doesn't match the speed/mobility criteria they seem to want. Probably no better than a #5 or 6 on a really good team. I'd be mildly surprised but I could see him moved out.

Something is going to change on that backend, somebody is going elsewhere and soon. Gustaffson isn't up as a reward - he's either going to play to stay or be showcased.

And thinking about it further, Stanbo trades #4 to Arizona for Murphy and he's healthy scratched some nights, plays his offside another and then gets under 8 minutes last night. He's shown improvement but doesn't match the speed/mobility criteria they seem to want. Probably no better than a #5 or 6 on a really good team. I'd be mildly surprised but I could see him moved out.
- RickJ

Something big is definitely in the works now that all this cap space has been achieved and all these extra bodies (including Hayden and Franson in the minors) around.
And the big move will be on defence.

I wouldn't put too much weight on Murphy's ice time last nite considering they were going with 7 D.

Maybe eventually either Forsling or Ruuta will hold down one spot. The other gets traded. It depends a great deal how well dmen can do what the Blackhawks want their dmen to be able to do. This is the playing at speed thing which I will explain in a post later today.

Severson....
I trust you know more about him than I do. NJ will not make any dumb trades, but a fair trade could happen. Virtanen I Don't think is developing properly and is not that good anyway. Being out west you know about him. Additional thought on trades: would be helpful to get a good look at both Highmore and Sinkula so that we can try to figure how good and how they might fit here. Fortin is injured and probably a wash this season. He needs to show well next year and then he gets a look.
- jhawk59

Its "Sikura", not trying to rag on you, just seen it spelled this crazy way a couple times in the last page or two and it was driving me nuts

Is there a limit to how much a team can retain on a player? I believe 50%?

Also, is there a limit to how many players a team can retain salary on at any one time? i doubt the league would allow you to trade half the team and retain salary on 10 players at the same time?
- glennjpawlak22

According to CapFriendly, 3 players with retained salary up to 50% of each players salary/cap hit

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/blackhawks
"Statistics" - RETAINED SALARY REMAINING The total amount of contracts which can have salary retained in a trade 3

Its "Sikura", not trying to rag on you, just seen it spelled this crazy way a couple times in the last page or two and it was driving me nuts
- BlazinMike

Sikura didn't make the Canadian Olympic team. The guy is obviously a bust, Stan should trade him now while there is some perceived value. Another wasted draft pick.

So you trade from a position of weakness (center) by moving AA for a position of strength.

This team DOES NOT NEED wingers, period. We aren't collecting sports cards here, trying to build a team to contend. You either need a Center or a D-man to do that with this team.
- kwolf68

I agree with that thought... but my point was not whats best for the Hawks... it was what its going to take.

MTL is going to want a C back in any deal they make for Patches. That is THEIR weakness too. Pacioretty SHOULD return a lot to MTL. Someone will pony up an over pay. Not saying the Hawks should be that team. They SHOULDN'T. But just for discussion sake, I think thats what it would take to get him.

Sikura didn't make the Canadian Olympic team. The guy is obviously a bust, Stan should trade him now while there is some perceived value. Another wasted draft pick.
- DarthKane

Should have drafted Sinkula

When I see this, it makes me giggle and think of JJ.

StanBo: “Right now, I like this group, I really like our team,” Bowman said. “Obviously, I wish we had a few more wins under our belt, but I’m very excited about this group.”

https://chicago.suntimes....nger-anthony-duclair/amp/
- pdx2ord

very excited to watch them get ripped by divisional opponents and the top teams in the west...this is PRBS...

i am sure come 4/7....he will even be more excited about this group.

Last night was a goalie loss, plain and simple. I was amazed at the shot differential (including blocks, the differential was 62-37). Hawks laid down the rubber. Forsberg let in 1 1/2 softies, at least.
- Cmonalready

I see it more as a goalie win for the Wild, hard to call it a goalie loss when we score only one goal. Dubnyk was on last night.

Sikura didn't make the Canadian Olympic team. The guy is obviously a bust, Stan should trade him now while there is some perceived value. Another wasted draft pick.
- DarthKane

Huuuuuge bust. Can't believe Stan took a chance on this bum in the 6th round.

I see it more as a goalie win for the Wild, hard to call it a goalie loss when we score only one goal. Dubnyk was on last night.
- walleyeb1

Agreed.

Forsberg was not the problem in my opinion. He had some key saves.

Like Walleye said, when you score 1 goal, hard to win.

I call it a lack-of-finishing-in-the-1st-period loss by the Blackhawks.

Agreed.

Forsberg was not the problem in my opinion. He had some key saves.

Like Walleye said, when you score 1 goal, hard to win.

I call it a lack-of-finishing-in-the-1st-period loss by the Blackhawks.
- Justin Lowe

That really rolls of the tongue, I like it!

Can't really blame a guy who only lets in two goals. It might have been a different outcome with a healthy Crawford in the net but Forsberg is doing well overall and getting some valuable experience.

That really rolls of the tongue, I like it!

Can't really blame a guy who only lets in two goals. It might have been a different outcome with a healthy Crawford in the net but Forsberg is doing well overall and getting some valuable experience.
- matt_ahrens

To be honest, I think both goals were deflected by his own teammates. Really hard to blame a goalie for either of those. Yes, the 1st period decided the game.

That really rolls of the tongue, I like it!

Can't really blame a guy who only lets in two goals. It might have been a different outcome with a healthy Crawford in the net but Forsberg is doing well overall and getting some valuable experience.
- matt_ahrens

I thought so too. ha.

I would say if Crawford was in net the Hawks maybe take that game to OT. Then who knows.

Agreed.

Forsberg was not the problem in my opinion. He had some key saves.

Like Walleye said, when you score 1 goal, hard to win.

I call it a lack-of-finishing-in-the-1st-period loss by the Blackhawks.
- Justin Lowe

Yeha, lack of finish game for sure. Hawks didn't play a bad game overall, just needed to convert some of those chances into goals.

yeah last two games it was all about rolling 4 lines...oops...however they were down a forward with the panik trade...only option was jurco
- bogiedoc

Stan brought Jurco up for a look see and when he is the the only option for a 12th forward Q says F you Stan I am going with 7 D.If I'm Stan I would be very pissed off today as Jurco could have eaten Murphy's 8 minutes and perhaps today we might know if Jurco is turning the corner or not......

Stan brought Jurco up for a look see and when he is the the only option for a 12th forward Q says F you Stan I am going with 7 D.If I'm Stan I would be very pissed off today as Jurco could have eaten Murphy's 8 minutes and perhaps today we might know if Jurco is turning the corner or not......
- eagle50

It'll be interesting to see if Jurco plays tomorrow night or if they get Duclair in there right away.

Stan brought Jurco up for a look see and when he is the the only option for a 12th forward Q says F you Stan I am going with 7 D.If I'm Stan I would be very pissed off today as Jurco could have eaten Murphy's 8 minutes and perhaps today we might know if Jurco is turning the corner or not......
- eagle50

I've always gotten the impression there is a lot of mind (frank)ing going on between those two. But I did love Q playing Runblad in the elimination game a couple of years ago. Now there's a big f you.

To be honest, I think both goals were deflected by his own teammates. Really hard to blame a goalie for either of those. Yes, the 1st period decided the game.
- powerenforcer

Agree

I thought so too. ha.

I would say if Crawford was in net the Hawks maybe take that game to OT. Then who knows.
- Justin Lowe

Speaking of Crawford, I know it’s the norm for teams to be tight lipped about injuries, but something just feels different about this.

When is the last time he’s been seen, I don’t recall any reporters talking to him since the injury.

Just seems strange to me.

goaltending has been the problem for this team accept in maybe 5-6 games...

the hawks abs SUCK vs the teams in the WC not named AZ, Min and EDM.

leaky poor defense and shot suppression; and those teams know how to force the hawks to perimeter...if i had to guess the pp against the WC teams they are chasing is around 10%

that's why they are in the position they are in...stan may like his team as a bottom 8 but they have shown very little ability to compete with the better teams in the WC