I was just responding to a post earlier but you clearly know everything so not much point in disagreeing with you.
- Daceroni

Well, that's one way to concede

Welcome to the party. You're only two years too late. Guess I've gotta go over all this again...

There isn't a world where Seth Jones+ was available for Hall. Nashville was looking for a C because Mike Fisher was their #1. The discussion was Nuge for Jones but it's unknown whether Edmonton refused (bad move) or if Nashville opted for Johansen (seems reasonable).

As for the "many GMs", there was one single quote from a GM saying that and that's something so ridiculously absurd to offer as "evidence". What's that GMs idea of a better offer? Maybe they value Brendan Dillon and a pick more than Larsson and therefore can say that. Maybe there's an inbuilt bias in everyone's head that makes them believe their guys are more valuable than another's. Maybe he has direct incentive to say something like that because it discredits an opposing GM and can (further) hurt his reputation when making future trades. Maybe it wasn't even a quote from a GM and instead a favour by a media guy to one of his currently unemployed ex-GMs to help open up a position.

See how much I can spin that angle without having definitive proof? See why quoting "a GM" without having attribution is about as pointless as quoting "an expert" or "studies say"?

As for that GM, I'll restate what I've said ever since the trade: if that GM didn't know that Hall was available, he wasn't doing his (frank)ing job. Are you really gonna trust the words of a clearly incompetent and unnamed GM as the basis of your argument?

As with Donald Trump, there are hundreds of legitimate angles you can take to hate on Chiarelli that have basis in actual, tangible facts. Picking this one where all you have is speculation and rumors and unnamed "sources" defeats your own point.
- MaximumBone

After the Hall trade Poile was asked about it. He said when he made the deal Hall was untouchable but if he wasn’t that may have changed his mind about requiring C back.

After the Hall trade Poile was asked about it. He said when he made the deal Hall was untouchable but if he wasn’t that may have changed his mind about requiring C back.
- Iggysbff

Got a link for that? I'll concede that I hadn't seen that bit, but it still even says "may have changed his mind". Not exactly a definitive.

After the Hall trade Poile was asked about it. He said when he made the deal Hall was untouchable but if he wasn’t that may have changed his mind about requiring C back.
- Iggysbff

I'd be curious to see a link for that too

I'd be curious to see a link for that too
- LittleRickyV2

I saw it live On tsn when the trade happened. I’ve mentioned it here many times before. Not sure if there is a link. Dreger asked him about it.

Great blog Hendo!

I saw it live On tsn when the trade happened. I’ve mentioned it here many times before. Not sure if there is a link. Dreger asked him about it.
- Iggysbff

Yes I agree but a one for one swap is the real issue, there should have been more coming this way with Larsson for sure, there was a better deal somewhere for Hall
- Daceroni

I dunno that there was anything better

We know unequivocally teams had been lowballing us for a couple years on all our assets

So with that said, if that was in fact the best we could get for Taylor hall. U just don’t make the deal

I’m convinced chia undervalued how good Taylor hall is. (Same with seguin) an absolute misjudgement on both.
Total guesswork on my part, but I also have an inkling he wanted Connor as the unequivocal unchallenged leader of the team. So he was happy to jettison hall. (Again, total guesswork)

Either way, He just dropped the ball so badly on that one. Same for the Reinhart deal when just a little bit of detective work woulda shown grif had fallen out of favour in nyi and was tumbling down their depth chart.

It’s hard to wrap my head around how much value chiarelli gave up to end up with strome, Larsson and a couple seasons of reinhart in the ahl. If he he didn’t have that ring, no way he’d still be employed

I dunno that there was anything better

We know unequivocally teams had been lowballing us for a couple years on all our assets

So with that said, if that was in fact the best we could get for Taylor hall. U just don’t make the deal

I’m convinced chia undervalued how good Taylor hall is. (Same with seguin) an absolute misjudgement on both.
Total guesswork on my part, but I also have an inkling he wanted Connor as the unequivocal unchallenged leader of the team. So he was happy to jettison hall. (Again, total guesswork)

Either way, He just dropped the ball so badly on that one. Same for the Reinhart deal when just a little bit of detective work woulda shown grif had fallen out of favour in nyi and was tumbling down their depth chart.

It’s hard to wrap my head around how much value chiarelli gave up to end up with strome, Larsson and a couple seasons of reinhart in the ahl. If he he didn’t have that ring, no way he’d still be employed
- HB77

Solid post

I dunno that there was anything better

We know unequivocally teams had been lowballing us for a couple years on all our assets

So with that said, if that was in fact the best we could get for Taylor hall. U just don’t make the deal

I’m convinced chia undervalued how good Taylor hall is. (Same with seguin) an absolute misjudgement on both.
Total guesswork on my part, but I also have an inkling he wanted Connor as the unequivocal unchallenged leader of the team. So he was happy to jettison hall. (Again, total guesswork)

Either way, He just dropped the ball so badly on that one. Same for the Reinhart deal when just a little bit of detective work woulda shown grif had fallen out of favour in nyi and was tumbling down their depth chart.

It’s hard to wrap my head around how much value chiarelli gave up to end up with strome, Larsson and a couple seasons of reinhart in the ahl. If he he didn’t have that ring, no way he’d still be employed
- HB77

That's a fair point

So only McDavid to the all star team. Seems right.

Can't you have your temper tantrum on your own time Henderson? You've just wasted everyone's time.

I can't speak for other teams, but TSN radio here in Montreal definitely was discussing insane offer sheet numbers for Draisaitl...so...our GM's explanation is plausible.

Everyone is disappointed, but patience and intelligence is needed, not a bunch of whining and crying. I am VERY disapointed in the performance of the team, but I really don't mind this group of players. I sure didn't mind them about 8-months ago.

I'm so happy I don't have to watch Jordan Eberle mail it in every night...he'd rather snowboard with Mark McMarijuana than play hockey.

So only McDavid to the all star team. Seems right.
- Iggysbff

Should have 3 players there.
McDavid, Hall and Eberle.

So only McDavid to the all star team. Seems right.
- Iggysbff

Yeah, he's the only Oiler who deserves to be there for sure.

put it this way...

I would like to have Taylor Hall on the team still...but I wouldn't trade Adam Larsson to get him.

Can't you have your temper tantrum on your own time Henderson? You've just wasted everyone's time.

I can't speak for other teams, but TSN radio here in Montreal definitely was discussing insane offer sheet numbers for Draisaitl...so...our GM's explanation is plausible.

Everyone is disappointed, but patience and intelligence is needed, not a bunch of whining and crying. I am VERY disapointed in the performance of the team, but I really don't mind this group of players. I sure didn't mind them about 8-months ago.

I'm so happy I don't have to watch Jordan Eberle mail it in every night...he'd rather snowboard with Mark McMarijuana than play hockey.
- JLO961

And that right here folks is the attitude that will keep the oilers in the rut.

They could have been dominate, top line hall, McDavid and eberle would kill it, traded Rnh or dre for a top defencemen and Have a balanced lineup.

But, thank God for chia pet, he's given us another year of company in the bottom of the league.

As this team is gonna need to shed cap by some method over the offseason and I'm reluctant to move Nuge after his season so far, gotta reckon that Sekera might be asked to waive his NMC. I imagine Toronto would be on the list of suitors knowing their affinity to stats-darlings like Andrej and their need for defense. If the GM at the time (whoever that may be) could pull out a Connor Brown from the transaction, that'd go a long way to tweaking the team the right direction.

Throw in a cheap, fast, PKing UFA winger (Hansen or Calvert) and another depth C or two (D. Shore, Paquette, Mitchell, Wagner, etc); resign Strome (~2.7 for 3), Nurse (~4.7 for 7), Benning and Davidson (~1.3 for 2) and Slepy, Caggiula and Auvitu (~900k for 2); add another high draft pick and I think we'll be back on a good path!

put it this way...

I would like to have Taylor Hall on the team still...but I wouldn't trade Adam Larsson to get him.
- JLO961

you can't be serious

I saw it live On tsn when the trade happened. I’ve mentioned it here many times before. Not sure if there is a link. Dreger asked him about it.
- Iggysbff

Thank you!

Should have 3 players there.
McDavid, Hall and Eberle.
- Pres.cup

Ebs is one of my fav players. But I’m willing to concede that he has flaws. I’m even willing to concede that it wasn’t the biggest boneheaded to Move him for cap savings even if he didn’t need to do it last summer. But to then go and spend that savings on russel the very next day is idiotic....
But whatev, ebs is on another level from strome obviously, but does he make some huge significant difference to the fortunes of this team right now? Debatebale anyway.

But yeah, this team needs a few things, but one of em is certainly an elite possession driving star scoring winger like Taylor hall. Him with a developed/ing connor, leon and nuge makes our group so formidable.

We struggle to score and I read yesterday we have the lowest output from our wingers in the league. None of this is coincidence.

With hall, it’s not just 3 good centres carrying whichevr winger they’re saddled with. In fact, oft times when nuge or leon might be having an ineffective night, it’d be hall carrying the line

you can't be serious
- Daceroni

It’s crazy cause I know he is


To say that at the time when we were desperate for any defender. or even last year when everything was going perfectly and our deficiencies were kinda masked, at least has a semblance of rationale. And admittedly, there were times when even I was on the fence that maybe we could make it somewhat of a “win” in our favour. At least big picture wise anyway.

But right now, with the benefit of hindsight and with all we know, His post is utter insanity

I dunno that there was anything better

We know unequivocally teams had been lowballing us for a couple years on all our assets

So with that said, if that was in fact the best we could get for Taylor hall. U just don’t make the deal

I’m convinced chia undervalued how good Taylor hall is. (Same with seguin) an absolute misjudgement on both.
Total guesswork on my part, but I also have an inkling he wanted Connor as the unequivocal unchallenged leader of the team. So he was happy to jettison hall. (Again, total guesswork)

Either way, He just dropped the ball so badly on that one. Same for the Reinhart deal when just a little bit of detective work woulda shown grif had fallen out of favour in nyi and was tumbling down their depth chart.

It’s hard to wrap my head around how much value chiarelli gave up to end up with strome, Larsson and a couple seasons of reinhart in the ahl. If he he didn’t have that ring, no way he’d still be employed
- HB77

Ebs is one of my fav players. But I’m willing to concede that he has flaws. I’m even willing to concede that it wasn’t biggest boneheaded to Move him for cap savings even if he didn’t need to do it last summer. But to then go and spend that savings on russel the very next day is idiotic....
But whatev, ebs is on another level from strome obviously, but does he make some huge significant difference to the fortunes of this team right now? Debatebale anyway.

But yeah, this team needs a few things, but one of em is certainly an elite possession driving star scoring winger like Taylor hall. Him with a developed/ing connor, leon and nuge makes our group so formidable.

We struggle to score and I read yesterday we have the lowest output from our wingers in the league. None of this is coincidence.

With hall, it’s not just 3 good centres cartying ehatevr winger they’re saddled with. In fact, oft times when nuge or leon might be having an ineffective night, it’d be hall carrying the line
- HB77

Yup

Ebs is one of my fav players. But I’m willing to concede that he has flaws. I’m even willing to concede that it wasn’t biggest boneheaded to Move him for cap savings even if he didn’t need to do it last summer. But to then go and spend that savings on russel the very next day is idiotic....
But whatev, ebs is on another level from strome obviously, but does he make some huge significant difference to the fortunes of this team right now? Debatebale anyway.

But yeah, this team needs a few things, but one of em is certainly an elite possession driving star scoring winger like Taylor hall. Him with a developed/ing connor, leon and nuge makes our group so formidable.

We struggle to score and I read yesterday we have the lowest output from our wingers in the league. None of this is coincidence.

With hall, it’s not just 3 good centres cartying ehatevr winger they’re saddled with. In fact, oft times when nuge or leon might be having an ineffective night, it’d be hall carrying the line
- HB77

I envision a top of _____- McDavid- Draisaitl and Hall- Nuge- ______ and find it hard to imagine the team ever struggling to score. Defending might've still been an issue, but our current coaches seem to be having a hard time making it NOT an issue now, as well so...