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ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jan 9 @ 12:55 PM ET


Seabrook is a healthy scratch for Chicago tonight.

OUCH! That contract is UGLY.

That is a team that will demand atleast one buyout during the next stoppage.

SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 9 @ 12:55 PM ET
I think Hart could be the franchise goalie that the Flyers have wanted but goalies take time and are hard to predict.

I think Allison could make a quicker transition and impact with the Flyers as he already has NHL size and offensive game.

- J35Bacher

I have watched a fair bit of Hart play and he is very quick poised and reads the plays coming at him well. I think his biggest hurdle will be the mental side of things getting sound mentally for the riggers of NHL life and having to deal with bad games.

I know nothing about Allison but from what I hear he sounds like a player I could stand behind.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 9 @ 1:02 PM ET
I have watched a fair bit of Hart play and he is very quick poised and reads the plays coming at him well. I think his biggest hurdle will be the mental side of things getting sound mentally for the riggers of NHL life and having to deal with bad games.

I know nothing about Allison but from what I hear he sounds like a player I could stand behind.

- SimmerDown



I think Hart will at least need a year of AHL. The contracts for the goalies run out when you think Hart could then step in if ready.
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 9 @ 1:08 PM ET
I think Hart will at least need a year of AHL. The contracts for the goalies run out when you think Hart could then step in if ready.
- J35Bacher

Absolutely a year in the AHL. MAYBE a call up due to injuries in the season but that cannot be predicted yet.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 9 @ 1:09 PM ET
I think Hart will at least need a year of AHL. The contracts for the goalies run out when you think Hart could then step in if ready.
- J35Bacher


How old was Bobrovsky when he became the Flyers' starter?

And yes, I know he played in other pro leagues prior to coming over.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:12 PM ET
How old was Bobrovsky when he became the Flyers' starter?

And yes, I know he played in other pro leagues prior to coming over.

- jmatchett383

22
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 9 @ 1:13 PM ET
How old was Bobrovsky when he became the Flyers' starter?

And yes, I know he played in other pro leagues prior to coming over.

- jmatchett383



21 I believe.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:16 PM ET
I think Hart will at least need a year of AHL. The contracts for the goalies run out when you think Hart could then step in if ready.
- J35Bacher


This is how I see it also. Elliot and Neuvirth's deals end right when Hart should be good after his year in the AHL. I think this is part of why Mason wasn't resigned here. Mason wanted a longer deal than 2 years and we weren't going to offer it.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:18 PM ET
I'll start this post with a caveat that I don't get to watch as much lower/minor league hockey you, but

I'm surprised to see Allison above Hart there (also see that you say they are even), but from everything I've read and seen about Hart, you'd think he's the second coming of Marty Broduer. That's not a knock on Allison, have only seen him play a few times (and of course the obligatory youtube highlights).

Do you think think very highly of Allison, or do you not think as highly of Hart?

- VladDrag


I am one of the biggest Hart fans around and certainly feel like he is one of the best goalie prospects. Goalies don't have much value until they really hit though, and I also just think building a team in front of the goalie is more important. Yeah, Allison is just a winger, but scoring in the NCAA is impressive. I don't see Hart having any issues at translating to the pro game, but goalies no doubt have a tougher road ahead.

I am fine with Hart at 4 though. I think the first 3 are a notch above the next 3 and they are above the last group. It is a tough exercise to do because of how some are close to the NHL and some you're just projecting.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Jan 9 @ 1:18 PM ET
I have watched a fair bit of Hart play and he is very quick poised and reads the plays coming at him well. I think his biggest hurdle will be the mental side of things getting sound mentally for the riggers of NHL life and having to deal with bad games.

I know nothing about Allison but from what I hear he sounds like a player I could stand behind.

- SimmerDown


He's actually been working with a sports psychologist for quite some time and his ability to stay in the moment and shelf games has been mentioned as a strong suit.

There was an article out the other day on it....tsn.ca possibly.

That is why he has so many routines he rigidly follows to ensure consistency in each day/moment.

dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:21 PM ET
I have watched a fair bit of Hart play and he is very quick poised and reads the plays coming at him well. I think his biggest hurdle will be the mental side of things getting sound mentally for the riggers of NHL life and having to deal with bad games.

I know nothing about Allison but from what I hear he sounds like a player I could stand behind.

- SimmerDown


Hart may also need to get this figured out also.

SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 9 @ 1:27 PM ET
He's actually been working with a sports psychologist for quite some time and his ability to stay in the moment and shelf games has been mentioned as a strong suit.

There was an article out the other day on it....tsn.ca possibly.

That is why he has so many routines he rigidly follows to ensure consistency in each day/moment.

- juiced

I think he's been working with a psychologist since he was drafted. The one thing we need to remember is Hart is already above and beyond where most goaltenders are at his age, yet there is no reason to push to far to fast with him.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:33 PM ET
I have watched a fair bit of Hart play and he is very quick poised and reads the plays coming at him well. I think his biggest hurdle will be the mental side of things getting sound mentally for the riggers of NHL life and having to deal with bad games.

I know nothing about Allison but from what I hear he sounds like a player I could stand behind.

- SimmerDown
I believe I read that he is already working with a brain dude for that balance of cerebral cortex and playing a stressful game/position.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 9 @ 1:33 PM ET
Hart may also need to get this figured out also.


- dragonoffrost


yeah, that is a top shelf quirk that needs to be fixed
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:35 PM ET
yeah, that is a top shelf quirk that needs to be fixed
- Scoob


Funny as hell right now though
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 9 @ 1:40 PM ET
yeah, that is a top shelf quirk that needs to be fixed
- Scoob


Yeah, that kind of stuff aint gonna fly in the NHL.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:47 PM ET
Yeah, that kind of stuff aint gonna fly in the NHL.
- MBFlyerfan

refuses to lose
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:56 PM ET
He's actually been working with a sports psychologist for quite some time and his ability to stay in the moment and shelf games has been mentioned as a strong suit.

There was an article out the other day on it....tsn.ca possibly.

That is why he has so many routines he rigidly follows to ensure consistency in each day/moment.

- juiced


Pretty sure that I read the psychologist Hart is seeing is the same guy that Holtby uses. That's not bad company.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 1:58 PM ET
Yeah, that kind of stuff aint gonna fly in the NHL.
- MBFlyerfan


Could lead to this stuff

SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 9 @ 1:59 PM ET
Pretty sure that I read the psychologist Hart is seeing is the same guy that Holtby uses. That's not bad company.
- jaws1955

Oh, we are good then. I know a lot of people who knew Holtby growing up and played hockey with him. They all confirm he was one weird dude who needs a psychologist.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 9 @ 2:01 PM ET
Funny as hell right now though
- dragonoffrost

It was mildly funny until I saw that he needed to come back out to be "last" then I got worried. Being that easy to frank with isn't good.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 2:03 PM ET
It was mildly funny until I saw that he needed to come back out to be "last" then I got worried. Being that easy to frank with isn't good.
- Scoob


Ask Claude Lemieux from the video I posted after that

Guys like Hospodar and Brown coming to tell you to knock it the (frank) off can't be fun even when you have Nilan, Kordic and Corson behind you
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 9 @ 2:05 PM ET
Could lead to this stuff


- dragonoffrost



haha, that specific event came to mind immediately.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 9 @ 2:06 PM ET
haha, that specific event came to mind immediately.

- MBFlyerfan


Yup! The fun days of the NHL when chicken poop stuff was handled on the ice.
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Jan 9 @ 2:08 PM ET
Oh, we are good then. I know a lot of people who knew Holtby growing up and played hockey with him. They all confirm he was one weird dude who needs a psychologist.
- SimmerDown


He's a goalie, being nuts is a job requirement
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