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opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jan 4 @ 12:08 PM ET
Ok let’s go back to reality. I hope the kid does well. It would be nice to have someone on the team that brings more nasty. I don’t know if he will be allowed to as the coaching staff has leashes the aggressiveness out of all the others but we shall see. Anyone is an improvement over the likes of Lehtera.

In the grand scheme, Ghoul and the decision to bring him up is a fart in the wind. It’s just kind of another questionable decision.

Hope the kids do well, get some good ice time and Manning or Mac get a nice groin pull to let Sanheim back in.

- flyer_nutter


I dont really see it as a questionable decision.
The Team thinks he is ready to play in the NHL so they brought him up.

Also not a fan of wishing injures on anyone.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:08 PM ET
Go Bullies. Am I rite? Please..
- flyer_nutter


That's right..redirect and spit on the history of the team you "cheer" for. Until you form another uninformed entitled opinion.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:09 PM ET
No you won't. Maybe someone with an expiring contract or a vet with a year left on his deal gets dealt. Hextall won't do anything substantial to this roster til the off-season. I'd be shocked if he proves me wrong.
- hereticpride


Silence you.

Although you are free to join me on a bandwagon of a new team.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Jan 4 @ 12:09 PM ET
Giving another lackluster showing tonight against another rival, should solidify Haks position.
Come on everyone jump on the Vegas bandwagon, an expansion TEAM that is playing hard. Wow PEB must be happy, no severe cold, way bigger house for less $$ and a team that is winning.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:10 PM ET
discredit you


- YuenglingJagr


Something you can't do.


I never said too much AHL time will hurt a player. Their development philosophy has shown to be two things...putting players into specific roles and overcooking prospects just so they can say they didn't ruin them by calling them up too early.


- YuenglingJagr


Again insinuates that they don't know what they're doing. As if developing Lindblom for a top 9 scoring line role and giving him AHL time is the wrong thing to do. Who determines if they're overcooked? You? This also insinuates that the Flyers main goal is to save face and are more worried about the optics of moves rather than the actual results. Obviously not the case yet it doesn't stop you from posting that it is.




We differ because I have an opinion and you just repeat what Hextall says all day. Development is a lot more than just how much time a player spends at lower levels. I didn't say they are incompetent at development, just that I disagree with their philosophy that keeping Lindblom in the AHL long enough will increase his NHL ceiling and in general have any positive effect on the prime years of his NHL career. That is where there is a lack of evidence. A player has to transition to the NHL at some point, and being in the AHL might prepare them better to make that transition, but when it is clear from actually watching a player (novel concept) that they are prepared I think the benefit is minimal.


- YuenglingJagr


You can have an opinion all you want. Doesn't mean that Hextall is wrong and you're right. What I'm actually saying and I'll repeat is that I don't know if Lindblom is ready or not and because of that, I'll defer to the experts. What evidence can you provide that calling up Lindblom now will make him the better player in the long run. No need for you to answer that because you can't. You can watch a player all you want, still just a random fans opinion just like mine.



Ultimately, I don't care too much if he gets called up now or a couple months, but that doesn't mean it isn't part of the issue that this team faces currently. If we want the Flyers to be playing to their potential, see progression, make the playoffs, they should be doing it with their best players, and we (as fans) have every reason to be critical of that not happening.

- YuenglingJagr


The Flyers should not be putting the needs of the current team before the needs of any young players development. That is more important than making the Flyers a better playoff bubble team now.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:10 PM ET
That's right..redirect and spit on the history of the team you "cheer" for. Until you form another uninformed entitled opinion.
- Baxter27


That history is irrelevant to a large segment of younger fans. The quicker the organization and folks like you get that, the quicker things may change.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 4 @ 12:11 PM ET
That was his early career trajectory. He has become a reliable pker and more of an energy guy than a goon. He fights like rinaldo wildly throwing to make up for his size difference. He also skates well like rinaldo. That's about where the comparison ends. But I don't see how an ahl 4th liner truly benefits this team. But end of the day it also doesn't make us any weaker. I'm more frustrated by the insistence on roles. Imagine if the golden State warriors forced every player into a role instead of wings and post players.
- Tfaehner


i have ZERO problem with the callup cause it means Lehtera sits. I want to see Lindblom over Weise in the lineup but ok fine they aren't going there yet. what does irk me is Sanheim sitting. play him or send him down so he is playing
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jan 4 @ 12:11 PM ET
I dont really see it as a questionable decision.
The Team thinks he is ready to play in the NHL so they brought him up.


Also not a fan of wishing injures on anyone.

- opeth_pa



I also see it as a little tweak. The 4th line was a plus for the beginning of the season. now not so much since Raffl was moved up the lineup. This could help in making one line better while also bring some need grit to the lineup. he has also been killing penalties in LH so this could help there.

It's a small move.

I am sure if Lindblom keeps playing well we could see him soon and possibly Weal waived if he doesn't start producing more.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Jan 4 @ 12:13 PM ET
Giving another lackluster showing tonight against another rival, should solidify Haks position.
Come on everyone jump on the Vegas bandwagon, an expansion TEAM that is playing hard. Wow PEB must be happy, no severe cold, way bigger house for less $$ and a team that is winning.

- Konalover



Vegas is not warm enough for me. I'm waiting for an expansion team in Hawaii so I can move there and root for them.

We all no that the Hawaii Surfers will win a Cup before this inept, clueless, laughable, comical, can't make this stuff up franchise. Am I right?


#sarcasm
#exceptforthewarmclimatepart
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 4 @ 12:13 PM ET
i have ZERO problem with the callup cause it means Lehtera sits. I want to see Lindblom over Weise in the lineup but ok fine they aren't going there yet. what does irk me is Sanheim sitting. play him or send him down so he is playing
- nastyflyergirl



Sanheim sitting is another role issue. Instead of allowing him to flourish in his element and sheltering him on d they are demanding defense from him and holding offense hostage until he shows better defense. Imagine if we did that to ghost ?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 4 @ 12:15 PM ET
To me ultimately a lot of this falls on management. I'm done blaming the players. They can't help what they're called on to do.

Hextall & Co try this rebuild on the fly bs and end up squandering yet another year of the Simmonds/G/Jake/Coots core. Either surround that core with players who can play(I don't care if they're vets or kids) or break up the core and move on. It's as simple as that. Surrounding that core with other teams trash (which is quite literally what Flip, Weise and Lehtera are considering their, play, cap hit, or a combination of the two) is a clear cut recipe for mediocrity.

Flyers have drafted extremely well on Hextall's watch. I just hate that they think they can put this slop around the core and think the fans should blindly buy in.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:15 PM ET
Know what would be amazing?

Ghoul goes out and scores the game winner tonight.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 4 @ 12:16 PM ET
Silence you.

Although you are free to join me on a bandwagon of a new team.

- flyer_nutter

Vegas baby. Vegas.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:17 PM ET
That history is irrelevant to a large segment of younger fans. The quicker the organization and folks like you get that, the quicker things may change.
- flyer_nutter


Another contradiction. If it's so irrelevant then why are you, a young fan posting in reference too it? Are you insinuating that the Flyers are trying to build along those lines?

Another contradiction is that you repeatedly post that the Flyers lack aggressiveness and are too soft and lack emotion and that the coach strips them of that. Often post that they need to mix up after the whistle and "unleash the peanuts" Now here you are saying that they need to change their ways and move on from the Broad STreet Bullies history.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:17 PM ET
Vegas baby. Vegas.
- hereticpride


Shhh but we might be entitled if we ask for better than we have seen.

Keep buying that merchandise and alumni night nostalgia.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:20 PM ET
Another contradiction. If it's so irrelevant then why are you, a young fan posting in reference too it? Are you insinuating that the Flyers are trying to build along those lines?

Another contradiction is that you repeatedly post that the Flyers lack aggressiveness and are too soft and lack emotion and that the coach strips them of that. Often post that they need to mix up after the whistle and "unleash the peanuts" Now here you are saying that they need to change their ways and move on from the Broad STreet Bullies history.

- MJL


I think they hold that history in too high of a regard yes. Or too much loyalty to former Flyers.

Holmgren and Hextall. Lappy. Sure there are examples of men from outside the organization, and I’m sure the Zamboni driver didn’t try out once but I have no concrete proof there.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:20 PM ET
Sanheim sitting is another role issue. Instead of allowing him to flourish in his element and sheltering him on d they are demanding defense from him and holding offense hostage until he shows better defense. Imagine if we did that to ghost ?
- Tfaehner


The only argument that can be made towards that is not playing him on the PP. Otherwise he is free to play aggressively offensively just like any other player on the team would be. Do you think if Sanheim had made the immediate impact that Gostisbehere made when he was first called up, that Sanheim's role and ice time would be increased?
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:21 PM ET
That history is irrelevant to a large segment of younger fans. The quicker the organization and folks like you get that, the quicker things may change.
- flyer_nutter


Maybe to "fans" like you. I've only been following since 97 but can appreciate & respect everything that came before.

Just go jump on that Leafs wagon. Their red hot right now: 3-6-1 in their last 10. History is also irrelevant to them. That's why they threw a massive celebration of life for Johnny Bower yesterday.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 4 @ 12:21 PM ET
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:22 PM ET
I think they hold that history in too high of a regard yes. Or too much loyalty to former Flyers.

Holmgren and Hextall. Lappy. Sure there are examples of men from outside the organization, and I’m sure the Zamboni driver didn’t try out once but I have no concrete proof there.

- flyer_nutter


Yet the head coach is from outside the organization. I think you only focus on what fits your narrative and ignore what doesn't. None of what you post is relevant in my opinion.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:22 PM ET
Maybe to "fans" like you. I've only been following since 97 but can appreciate & respect everything that came before.

Just go jump on that Leafs wagon. Their red hot right now: 3-6-1 in their last 10. History is also irrelevant to them. That's why they threw a massive celebration of life for Johnny Bower yesterday.

- Baxter27


What is happening with the ticket sales of the Flyers. I truthfully don’t know, but have heard they are falling. Season ticket sales.

Fans like me are out there good sir. Raise your standards of this franchise.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:24 PM ET
Yet the head coach is from outside the organization. I think you only focus on what fits your narrative and ignore what doesn't. None of what you post is relevant in my opinion.
- MJL


Who hired Hak...
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Jan 4 @ 12:24 PM ET
This one literally makes no sense to me..

3rd game in a row where he is on the bench. Play him or send him down.

If it gets to 5 games where he is sitting Then I believe the Flyers are totally clueless.

- opeth_pa

I thought sitting him against Bolts was good with the sole purpose of him watching how Hedman goes about his Business. Sitting 3 games is a brutal coaching decision.
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Jan 4 @ 12:26 PM ET
Anyone else looking forward to a hockey game and adult beverages tonight?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:26 PM ET
Who hired Hak...
- flyer_nutter



How does that change that the Head Coach was brought in from outside the organization?
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