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hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Jan 4 @ 3:48 PM ET
It makes total sense for them to bring up Goulbourne now. First, what do they have to lose, and second, his physical presence might provide a spark (as others have suggested). Will he stay up long? Nope. 2-3 games, max.

But this makes sense for another reason. Goulbourne will be 25 soon (drafted in 2013) and he has been very slow to develop (understatement). He is in the last year of his ELC, and frankly, I think the front office knows it has enough talent in the pipe that it needs to make better decisions going forward about who to retain and who to jettison after three pro years. If he really shows something, he might get to stick around, but if he doesn't, it will be easier to offer him the AHL only contract he deserves.

As for Sanheim, IF they are going to keep him in the NHL, they need to play him, and to play him, they need to sit someone. The best solution:

Provorov-Hagg
MacDonald-Sanheim
Gostibehere-Manning/Gudas

You spent a year + in the AHL teaching Hagg to be a good stay at home / two-way defender. Stop undoing it.

You spent a year building good habits and teaching Sanheim to be a good Power Play QB. Stop undoing it.

You spent a year getting Provorov to be a good offensively minded two-way defender. Stop undoing it.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 4 @ 3:53 PM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/report-coyotes-f-duclair-requests-trade-1.959201

does saint ronnie have the bolos to actually make a trade that would help the nhl club

- rinaldo

If they take Weal for him I'd do it. I wouldn't offer a whole lot more.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 4 @ 3:55 PM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/report-coyotes-f-duclair-requests-trade-1.959201

does saint ronnie have the bolos to actually make a trade that would help the nhl club

- rinaldo


and what would you trade for him?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 4 @ 3:55 PM ET
I'm a partial season ticket holder and I have tickets for tonight's game. Is it possible that I could just get another game? I really don't feel like trekking 45 minutes in the snow for this game.
- KGBflyers10


call customer service - tell them I sent you
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 4 @ 3:56 PM ET
It makes total sense for them to bring up Goulbourne now. First, what do they have to lose, and second, his physical presence might provide a spark (as others have suggested). Will he stay up long? Nope. 2-3 games, max.

But this makes sense for another reason. Goulbourne will be 25 soon (drafted in 2013) and he has been very slow to develop (understatement). He is in the last year of his ELC, and frankly, I think the front office knows it has enough talent in the pipe that it needs to make better decisions going forward about who to retain and who to jettison after three pro years. If he really shows something, he might get to stick around, but if he doesn't, it will be easier to offer him the AHL only contract he deserves.

As for Sanheim, IF they are going to keep him in the NHL, they need to play him, and to play him, they need to sit someone. The best solution:

Provorov-Hagg
MacDonald-Sanheim
Gostibehere-Manning/Gudas

You spent a year + in the AHL teaching Hagg to be a good stay at home / two-way defender. Stop undoing it.

You spent a year building good habits and teaching Sanheim to be a good Power Play QB. Stop undoing it.

You spent a year getting Provorov to be a good offensively minded two-way defender. Stop undoing it.

- hockeyal



23 soon to be 24 but close enough
SimmerDown17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: It aint my fault, SimmerDown aint my alt, CA
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jan 4 @ 3:57 PM ET
St. Ronnie could've drafted Duclair over Goulborne

edit: nm he wasnt GM yet
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 4 @ 3:58 PM ET
St. Ronnie could've drafted Duclair over Goulborne
- SimmerDown17


oh, that old gag
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 4 @ 3:59 PM ET
If they take Weal for him I'd do it. I wouldn't offer a whole lot more.
- hereticpride



he looked good in 15-16 and hasn't done much since. maybe a change of scenery does the kid good. gotta think Arizona is just not a good situation for anyone right now
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 4 @ 3:59 PM ET
tune in shortly to watch the buffalo bills skate against team sweden in the wjc semis.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jan 4 @ 4:00 PM ET
and what would you trade for him?
- nastyflyergirl

depends on what they want in return.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 4 @ 4:00 PM ET
he looked good in 15-16 and hasn't done much since. maybe a change of scenery does the kid good. gotta think Arizona is just not a good situation for anyone right now
- nastyflyergirl


it is for me. i love it there. unfortunately, i am in NJ right now. and it sucks here at the moment. shocking.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 4 @ 4:02 PM ET
he looked good in 15-16 and hasn't done much since. maybe a change of scenery does the kid good. gotta think Arizona is just not a good situation for anyone right now
- nastyflyergirl

I certainly wouldn't mind giving him a shot. I just wouldn't give up a ton for him given his struggles.

If Hextall is considering making some big moves this off-season this wouldn't be a bad preemptive move to get a jump start on adding a capable skater.
SimmerDown17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: It aint my fault, SimmerDown aint my alt, CA
Joined: 06.26.2014

Jan 4 @ 4:02 PM ET
oh, that old gag
- Scoob

was completely joking.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 4 @ 4:04 PM ET
depends on what they want in return.
- rinaldo



asking more what do you think his value would be. he's still young and maybe a change of scenery is what the kid needs. i would definitely kick tires. just curious to what you and others think what it would take to get him
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 4 @ 4:04 PM ET
LFG SWEDEN WOOOOOOOOO!
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 4 @ 4:05 PM ET
it is for me. i love it there. unfortunately, i am in NJ right now. and it sucks here at the moment. shocking.
- hammarby31



ah didn't realize you were here. just you are is the family here too? the coast is getting slammed. only about 4 inches in the city.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 4 @ 4:06 PM ET
The Flyers have led after 1 period only once in their last 19 games....


hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 4 @ 4:09 PM ET
ah didn't realize you were here. just you are is the family here too? the coast is getting slammed. only about 4 inches in the city.
- nastyflyergirl


family here too. snowed in at my dad's. getting HAMMERED here in monmouth county. snowing all day. crazy wind. i was planning to go tonight but glad i didn't buy tix ahead of time.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 4 @ 4:09 PM ET
The Flyers have led after 1 period only once in their last 19 games....



- MBFlyerfan


LOVE those fast starts.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jan 4 @ 4:12 PM ET
Go Bullies. Am I rite? Please..
- flyer_nutter

isnt one of your gripes that the team is too vanilla, soft and doesnt play with emotion.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 4 @ 4:15 PM ET
The Flyers have led after 1 period only once in their last 19 games....



- MBFlyerfan

What's their record again after the 10 game winning streak last year through now?

It's laughably bad and quite amazing that only the PP coach got axed through this span.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Jan 4 @ 4:17 PM ET
asking more what do you think his value would be. he's still young and maybe a change of scenery is what the kid needs. i would definitely kick tires. just curious to what you and others think what it would take to get him
- nastyflyergirl

well its about 2 scenarios for Arizona imo.

1. They would take back picks and or prospects. In this scenario does a 3rd and mid level prospect work? IDK. Flyers have picks and prospects out the wazoo so maybe you overpay a little, if ronald thinks he is a guy worth overpaying for.

2. If they want current nhl players then it gets tricky. Flyers dont have much to offer in this area imo. Weal and a mid round pick? I don't think that gets it done.

Just think flyers have the prospects and picks to offer if arizona goes that route.

maybe you expand the deal to get them to take lehtera?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 4 @ 4:19 PM ET
Come with me
And you'll be
In a world of
Pizza conversation
Take a look
And you'll see
Good hockey conversation

- Mononoke



Should change it to "pizzamagination"
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 4 @ 4:20 PM ET
family here too. snowed in at my dad's. getting HAMMERED here in monmouth county. snowing all day. crazy wind. i was planning to go tonight but glad i didn't buy tix ahead of time.
- hammarby31

More like HAMMARED

I'm sure you're glad you visited
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jan 4 @ 4:21 PM ET
well its about 2 scenarios for Arizona imo.

1. They would take back picks and or prospects. In this scenario does a 3rd and mid level prospect work? IDK. Flyers have picks and prospects out the wazoo so maybe you overpay a little, if ronald thinks he is a guy worth overpaying for.

2. If they want current nhl players then it gets tricky. Flyers dont have much to offer in this area imo. Weal and a mid round pick? I don't think that gets it done.

Just think flyers have the prospects and picks to offer if arizona goes that route.

maybe you expand the deal to get them to take lehtera?

- rinaldo

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