Coaches don't determine the roster, the GM does.
- Feanor

Ok then let me rephrase

The fact that Read hasn't been recalled makes me believe that HEXTALL thinks they can do better with Lehtera

ffs

Not everyone, just people too dumb to realize that scoring 16 ESP in 63 games while playing in the bottom 6 and maintaining stellar possession numbers is actually quite difficult.

Leier has the possession numbers, but is on pace for 11 ESP in 74 games. He's also been injured multiple times already.

Weise is pacing for 16 ESP in 76 games, but is a terrible possession player in 17-18, which is exactly who you don't want attached to Patrick at this stage of his career.

http://puckbase.com/stats/possession?team=PHI

Lehtera is too slow to play in the NHL.
- Feanor

Yes but do you honestly think Read would be a better winger for Patrick? Lehtera has been scratched and would have been other night if Leier wasn’t banged up. But when it comes to Read, he’s at a disadvantage when it comes to size compared to Weise or Lehtera. We already have Konecny and Weal as smaller guys, and Laughton or Leier are doing what Read would be doing imo (not from stats standpoint perhaps but as their role). Laughton and Leier could have a future with us whereas Read has none.

Damn, nearly halfway through the season and Buffalo has only scored 13 pp goals while giving up 8 shorthanded? That's just ugly.

Yes but do you honestly think Read would be a better winger for Patrick? Lehtera has been scratched and would have been other night if Leier wasn’t banged up. But when it comes to Read, he’s at a disadvantage when it comes to size compared to Weise or Lehtera. We already have Konecny and Weal as smaller guys, and Laughton or Leier are doing what Read would be doing imo (not from stats standpoint perhaps but as their role). Laughton and Leier could have a future with us whereas Read has none.
- arichardson22

Size is useless if you do nothing with it. Weise has been a sieve this year, and Lehtera is so slow he would be ineffective if he was 6'6".

It's fine using Leier ahead of Read since Leier has upside. It's not fine to use Lehtera as the Leier replacement, or to give him PP2 time ahead of Sanheim.

Not everyone, just people too dumb to realize that scoring 16 ESP in 63 games while playing in the bottom 6 and maintaining stellar possession numbers is actually quite difficult.

Leier has the possession numbers, but is on pace for 11 ESP in 74 games. He's also been injured multiple times already.

Weise is pacing for 16 ESP in 76 games, but is a terrible possession player in 17-18, which is exactly who you don't want attached to Patrick at this stage of his career.

http://puckbase.com/stats/possession?team=PHI

Lehtera is too slow to play in local beer leagues.
- Feanor

FTFY

Read-Laughton-Konecny would be a better 4th line than what they will put on the ice in Buffalo tonight.

I understand that Hextall doesn't want to waive guys with term that he signed/traded for, but the Flyers are worse off with Read in the AHL instead of Lehtera.
- Feanor

C'mon, it's not like it's the difference between Wayne Gretzky and Chris Vandevelde.

Read can still be a competent 4th line player in the NHL. He lost a step after the high ankle sprain a few years ago, and never got it back. Became a little too content to play the perimeter and to be mostly a checking specialist. Not a bad player to this day but still getting paid like the 20+ goal scorer he used to be.
- bmeltzer

It’s not that I don’t think he cantbe a 4th line player, it’s just I rather have Laughton + Leier having that job/role and growing as a younger player whereas Matt Read is what he will be. He’s not getting better. And then when you compare him to a Weise or Lehtera, they have favorable size compared to Read.

Idk last season we had VV and Bellemare and everyone wanted the youth. They went bye-bye and We’ve stuck with Laughts and Leier thus far and I assumed Matt Read would have been an afterthought and forgotten.

Read can still be a competent 4th line player in the NHL. He lost a step after the high ankle sprain a few years ago, and never got it back. Became a little too content to play the perimeter and to be mostly a checking specialist. Not a bad player to this day but still getting paid like the 20+ goal scorer he used to be.
- bmeltzer

He had 3 pretty good years, but almost immediately became too expensive for his role after that.

Damn, nearly halfway through the season and Buffalo has only scored 13 pp goals while giving up 8 shorthanded? That's just ugly.
- BiggE

They're about as bad a team as I've ever seen most nights.

2 points in 192 ES + PP minutes for Lehtera so far.

Size is useless if you do nothing with it. Weise has been a sieve this year, and Lehtera is so slow he would be ineffective if he was 6'6".

It's fine using Leier ahead of Read since Leier has upside. It's not fine to use Lehtera as the Leier replacement, or to give him PP2 time ahead of Sanheim.
- Feanor

Completely agree it’s wrong giving him PP time over Sanheim. But Weal-Patrick-Weise have shown some chemistry at times, more so lately. I would prefer to have Weise on 4th line but that’s another story. If the rumors of Lehtera being shopped are true, then maybe Hexy is just tryning to play him at times to showcase him. that also tells me With a fully healthy team, Lehtera is the forward scratched at the end of the day.

2 points in 192 ES + PP minutes for Lehtera so far.
- Feanor

write your congressman a letter

to clarify: I’m no advocate for Weise or Lehtera (Especiialy Jori), I just rather have Weise in over Read with Leier and Laughton having the role Read would take . I much rather have Lindblom up over all of them. Hell I think I would call up Colin McDonald over Read if given a choice.

Konecny on the 4th line makes no sense to me. he must be in Hakstol's dog house.

Re Lehtera and Read

From everything I've ever heard about Matt Read, he is a class guy and good influence on young players. This may also factor into the reason they've kept him at LHV. They may think having an NHL vet there to work with their prospects as a fellow player rather than as a coach is more valuable than having a slightly better 13th forward on the NHL roster.

to clarify: I’m no advocate for Weise or Lehtera (Especiialy Jori), I just rather have Weise in over Read with Leier and Laughton having the role Read would take . I much rather have Lindblom up over all of them. Hell I think I would call up Colin McDonald over Read if given a choice.
- arichardson22

I would agree.

to clarify: I’m no advocate for Weise or Lehtera (Especiialy Jori), I just rather have Weise in over Read with Leier and Laughton having the role Read would take . I much rather have Lindblom up over all of them. Hell I think I would call up Colin McDonald over Read if given a choice.
- arichardson22

Yes please.

Re Lehtera and Read

From everything I've ever heard about Matt Read, he is a class guy and good influence on young players. This may also factor into the reason they've kept him at LHV. They may think having an NHL vet there to work with their prospects as a fellow player rather than as a coach is more valuable than having a slightly better 13th forward on the NHL roster.
- BiggE

That's a good point.

re Colin McDonald

The guy is 33 and has played all of 148 NHL games. C'mon, he may be able come up and give you a decent game or two, but there's a reason he's spent most of his pro career in the minors.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're not.

The fact that Read hasn't been recalled makes me believe that the Flyers coaching staff thinks they can do better with Lehtera
- Streit2ThePoint

This is exactly my point.Matt Read also should get a fair chance
Konecny,Leier,Weise,Lehtera are in no way above Matt Read if you look at first 30 games even if they are totally different in terms of characteristics as players

write your congressman a letter
- Streit2ThePoint

re Colin McDonald

The guy is 33 and has played all of 148 NHL games. C'mon, he may be able come up and give you a decent game or two, but there's a reason he's spent most of his pro career in the minors.
- BiggE

I don’t want McDonald up, just was putting into context where Read stands on my list of call-ups I suppose. He’ll bring some spark/energy the a game or two he’s plugged into and will throw the body around.

I don’t want McDonald up, just was putting into context where Read stands on my list of call-ups I suppose. He’ll bring some spark/energy the a game or two he’s plugged into and will throw the body around.
- arichardson22

Fair enough. I guess it depends on what you want from the call up. If you need a guy to play on the 4th line and also on the PK, I'd go with Read. However, if you are just looking for a 4th line guy to step in for a few games and play 8 minutes or so at ES and give you some grit and energy, sure, bring up CMac.

edit: This is why I'd like to see if they can move Weal for a guy with more size, decent wheels and the ability to kill penalties.

Read-Laughton-Konecny would be a better 4th line than what they will put on the ice in Buffalo tonight.

I understand that Hextall doesn't want to waive guys with term that he signed/traded for, but the Flyers are worse off with Read in the AHL instead of Lehtera.
- Feanor

I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think it has to do with who they feel is the better player at this point and the role they see for the player.

Not everyone, just people too dumb to realize that scoring 16 ESP in 63 games while playing in the bottom 6 and maintaining stellar possession numbers is actually quite difficult.

Leier has the possession numbers, but is on pace for 11 ESP in 74 games. He's also been injured multiple times already.

Weise is pacing for 16 ESP in 76 games, but is a terrible possession player in 17-18, which is exactly who you don't want attached to Patrick at this stage of his career.

http://puckbase.com/stats/possession?team=PHI

Lehtera is too slow to play in the NHL.
- Feanor

Thank you.

I'll give people Weise over Read due to size or whatever. I don't agree with it but whatever. Read is a far superior player to Lehtera though and it isn't even close IMO.

Last year's solid possession metrics out of Weise was actually more of an anomaly. So yeah, I agree completely that I want him far away from Patrick.

There's also a case to be made that Read could really help the PK.

I think its pretty clear that Read is the odd man out due to current contract situations. If not, its another concern regarding talent evaluation.