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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:21 PM ET
Hilariously enough, he is the front runner for the best defensive forward because of improved scoring. His defensive underlying numbers are a giant step down from the other major candidates. He actually is putting up some of the worst defensive numbers in his career and might even be sacrificing defense for offense. But he's scoring!
- Mononoke

lol yes that is my favorite part
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:23 PM ET
lol yes that is my favorite part
- YuenglingJagr


I wish the Selke was awarded to the player who people erroneously believe is good defensively because he can't score.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:23 PM ET
In their defense, a more reasoned Montreal fan just suggested Price for Elliott, Sandman and TK. Not optimal but not as nutso as some of the others
- juiced

There is basically no part of me that wants Carey Price. Such a silly contract
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:23 PM ET
I wish the Selke was awarded to the player who people erroneously believe is good defensively because he can't score.
- Mononoke

That is just another thing Ecuador has always done right
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 18 @ 4:24 PM ET
In their defense, a more reasoned Montreal fan just suggested Price for Elliott, Sandman and TK. Not optimal but not as nutso as some of the others
- juiced


Not all that well reasoned . Deal makes no sense for the Flyers. They are not a goalie upgrade away from serious Cup contention to where dealing 20-year-old and 21-year-old recent first-round picks would enter into the realm of a realistic possibility.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:27 PM ET
There is basically no part of me that wants Carey Price. Such a silly contract
- YuenglingJagr


Forget our top prospects.

If they offered up Carey Price in return for absolutely nothing of value (Ghoul+7th), just to take that contract off their hands, I still wouldn't do it. I'd laugh at Bergevin (or his replacement) actually.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Dec 18 @ 4:27 PM ET
Not all that well reasoned . Deal makes no sense for the Flyers. They are not a goalie upgrade away from serious Cup contention to where dealing 20-year-old and 21-year-old recent first-round picks would enter into the realm of a realistic possibility.
- bmeltzer


Oh, don't get my commentary wrong...I want no part of that deal. I was merely saying that the level of insanity appeared to be dissipating...somewhat.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:28 PM ET
That is just another thing Ecuador has always done right
- YuenglingJagr

you're welcome
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Dec 18 @ 4:28 PM ET
I wish the Selke was awarded to the player who people erroneously believe is good defensively because he can't score.
- Mononoke


Jay McClement received Selke votes 4 times in his career.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:30 PM ET
Forget our top prospects.

If they offered up Carey Price in return for absolutely nothing of value (Ghoul+7th), just to take that contract off their hands, I still wouldn't do it. I'd laugh at Bergevin (or his replacement) actually.

- Mononoke

in english, french, or emoji?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 18 @ 4:31 PM ET
Forget our top prospects.

If they offered up Carey Price in return for absolutely nothing of value, just to take that contract off their hands, I still wouldn't do it. I'd laugh at Bergevin (or his replacement) actually.

- Mononoke


If I felt the Flyers were just a goalie of Price's caliber away from serious Cup contention for a window of the next couple years, I'd live with the long-term cap issues. But they're not, so it's a non-consideration.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:31 PM ET
in english, french, or emoji?
- YuenglingJagr


Morse Code flatulence.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:32 PM ET
If I felt the Flyers were just a goalie of Price's caliber away from serious Cup contention for a window of the next couple years, I'd live with the long-term cap issues. But they're not, so it's a non-consideration.
- bmeltzer

It would negatively affect their chances of ever having serious cup consideration due to the guys they would lose having to pay Price
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:33 PM ET
Morse Code flatulence.
- Mononoke

had no idea you were fluent
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:34 PM ET
we got a right (frank)ing linguist up in here right now
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:36 PM ET
If I felt the Flyers were just a goalie of Price's caliber away from serious Cup contention for a window of the next couple years, I'd live with the long-term cap issues. But they're not, so it's a non-consideration.
- bmeltzer


$10.5 mil for the next 8 years for an injury prone 31 year old goalie is something I could never get behind personally. Of course Price is the best goalie when healthy (that something that will disappear with age?), or one of them at the very least, but it's also a position that I think is overvalued to begin with. I'm of the belief that there is no team that is a Carey Price away from a Cup. If your entire team is assembled to win minus a goalie, you don't need the best goalie to get you over the top. There's a lot of "good" Cup-capable netminders.

And at that cap hit you need to make drastic decisions regarding your young players needing contracts, current top players........it's almost impossible to build a Cup team or fit one around a goalie taking up that much cap space.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 18 @ 4:38 PM ET
Jay McClement received Selke votes 4 times in his career.
- BINGO!


Last year PEB received a single vote. The same number as Getzlaf, Trocheck, Wheeler, and 1 behind Couturier.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 18 @ 4:40 PM ET
It would negatively affect their chances of ever having serious cup consideration due to the guys they would lose having to pay Price
- YuenglingJagr


If their window was through next year (with cap likely to rise and a potential for about $15M in cap space a year ahead of when Provorov and Simmonds new deals would kick in), it would be workable cap wise. But, again, it'd be a nonsensical deal that would never be remotely considered on either side. Montreal would never move Price just as a salary dump and Flyers wouldn't drain from their NHL-roster youth for a deal that would hurt them long term.

Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 18 @ 4:47 PM ET
If their window was through next year (with cap likely to rise and a potential for about $15M in cap space a year ahead of when Provorov and Simmonds new deals would kick in), it would be workable cap wise. But, again, it'd be a nonsensical deal that would never be remotely considered on either side. Montreal would never move Price just as a salary dump and Flyers wouldn't drain from their NHL-roster youth for a deal that would hurt them long term.
- bmeltzer

Silly season starting so soon!
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 18 @ 5:02 PM ET
Happy Birthday, kid.



- MBFlyerfan

Happy Birthday Nutter!
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 18 @ 5:37 PM ET
These Price proposals are ridiculous. No team is looking to carry that kind of a cap hit on a goalie in today's league. Let alone the length of the contract too. Good god. Their best hope to get rid of him is getting him to waive his NMC for the next expansion draft.

If Hextall were to make some blockbuster trade I think he'd sooner throw the kitchen sink at Ottawa for Karlsson. Something like Simmonds, Ghost and two 1sts for Karlsson(pending an extension of course) and a prospect.

That said Hextall as a GM seems like one of the least likely guys in the league to make a blockbuster type trade.

These proposals are always fun though. Almost makes me miss Homer.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
These Price proposals are ridiculous. No team is looking to carry that kind of a cap hit on a goalie in today's league. Let alone the length of the contract too. Good god. Their best hope to get rid of him is getting him to waive his NMC for the next expansion draft.

If Hextall were to make some blockbuster trade I think he'd sooner throw the kitchen sink at Ottawa for Karlsson. Something like Simmonds, Ghost and two 1sts for Karlsson(pending an extension of course) and a prospect.

That said Hextall as a GM seems like one of the least likely guys in the league to make a blockbuster type trade.

These proposals are always fun though. Also makes me miss Homer.

- hereticpride


Holmer was always good for a hoot
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 18 @ 5:42 PM ET
we got a right (frank)ing linguist up in here right now
- Giroux_Is_God

Ahh, but is he a cunning linguist?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 18 @ 5:53 PM ET




How about this gem.....


I'm the Flyer's GM and here's my offer:

CANADIENS GET:

GHOST
PROVOROV
COUTOURIER
CARTER HART

FLYERS GET:

PRICE
GALCHENYUK
2019 3RD ROUND PICK (PRICE SALARY COMPENSATION)




Wow

- MBFlyerfan


This is Canadiens fan playing Flyers GM correct?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 18 @ 5:57 PM ET
Flyers have the next Carey Price in Carter Hart. Why trade that away?
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