I'd love Marssecault (sp?) or Brassard.

This Ryan talk is just nonsense unless Ottawa is looking to eat $3-3.75M of his cap hit.

Pens can't take on two guys on the back half of their careers who are on long term contracts.

Bobby Ryan has 79 goals since joining the Senators in 2013. He makes $7 million. He's 30.

You probably don't want Bobby Ryan.

Bobby Ryan 82 game regular season rates based on 2015-16 thru today

18.7 goals 27.2 assists 45.9 points

Seems like a must have talent to me. Especially at $7M per plus assets.
- Feds91Stammer

You and your stuff...

I clearly stated that OTT must retain money. Ryan at $5M, a legit top-six winger, would be a GOOD get, not a MUST get.

A cost-controlled winger at $5M who can post 50 to 60 points a year is just good asset-management.

I don't think the Pens NEED a winger, but if they are going to make a move that's not a bad one.

I still think the only thing(s) they need to upgrade are the bottom six. Maybe also this year's Daley, but I know what won't happen.

I'd love Marssecault (sp?) or Brassard.

This Ryan talk is just nonsense unless Ottawa is looking to eat $3-3.75M of his cap hit.

Pens can't take on two guys on the back half of their careers who are on long term contracts.
- MacPatty

Yes, OTT needs to retain money just like TOR did when moving Kessel.

Personally, I'd only target Brassard unless the Pens can somehow get Pageau. A few things I've read has me starting to believe that the situation in OTT is looking like the movie Major League where the owner wants the team to tank so they can move.

Sheary and Cole would undoubtedly be gone.

If there is any truth to this the Pens IMO would be sending Cole, Sheary, a 1st and Jarry.

If they can somehow get them to take Hagelin instead of Sheary that would be amazeballs.
- Rinosaur

For Brassard and Ryan?!?!?

I'd do that for Karlsson or Brassard and Hoffman.

I'd do Brassard for Hagelin, Cole & a 1st. Ottawa is going to have to pay someone to take Ryan off their hands though.

You and your stuff...

I clearly stated that OTT must retain money. Ryan at $5M, a legit top-six winger, would be a GOOD get, not a MUST get.

A cost-controlled winger at $5M who can post 50 to 60 points a year is just good asset-management.

I don't think the Pens NEED a winger, but if they are going to make a move that's not a bad one.

I still think the only thing(s) they need to upgrade are the bottom six. Maybe also this year's Daley, but I know what won't happen.
- Rinosaur

Thing is they're going to have to outbid some other teams for pieces this year. Lots of teams in a very similar boat, and several of them have more assets they can give up.

Thing is they're going to have to outbid some other teams for pieces this year. Lots of teams in a very similar boat, and several of them have more assets they can give up.
- BINGO!

Add to that there is some real animosity between Melnyk and the Pens organization. He would make Dorion take less of a return on a deal to avoid a trade that helps the Pens.

Add to that there is some real animosity between Melnyk and the Pens organization. He would make Dorion take less of a return on a deal to avoid a trade that helps the Pens.
- MacPatty

Doubt it.

The only people I ever hear this sort of thing from is Penguins fans. Why would Melnyk have any kind of axe to grind with the Pens? It makes no sense.

You and your stuff...

I clearly stated that OTT must retain money. Ryan at $5M, a legit top-six winger, would be a GOOD get, not a MUST get.

A cost-controlled winger at $5M who can post 50 to 60 points a year is just good asset-management.

I don't think the Pens NEED a winger, but if they are going to make a move that's not a bad one.

I still think the only thing(s) they need to upgrade are the bottom six. Maybe also this year's Daley, but I know what won't happen.
- Rinosaur

50 to 60 points based on what lol?

50 to 60 points based on what lol?
- Feds91Stammer

lol he got a selke vote the same year Georges Laracque got a vote for the Lady Byng.

The positive I'll say for Ryan is that aside from last year he's hovered right around .5 pt/game at ES. That's something Guentzel, Hornqvist, and Sheary aren't currently doing. So he could help at a lower salary. His PP numbers have dried up, but we don't need that.

But he's turning 31 in a few months and has 4 years left on his deal. Can't see Melnyk eating enough salary to make that workable. Even if the point production is fine right now for a top 6, thw goals aren't and while last year is an outlier right now it could be a sign he is slowing down.

Right circumstances, sure I could see 20g and 50 points. Just not worth the risk. I'd call on Brassard though.

50 to 60 points based on what lol?
- Feds91Stammer

Um... his stats? His last fill season he put up 56 points and 54 the year before that. Every season he played more than 70 games he put up over 50 points. I’m adding little inflation by playing with Sid or Geno.

Three seasons he played 70 games or less and that threw off his point production.

For Brassard and Ryan?!?!?

I'd do that for Karlsson or Brassard and Hoffman.

I'd do Brassard for Hagelin, Cole & a 1st. Ottawa is going to have to pay someone to take Ryan off their hands though.
- MacPatty

If the Pens or any team expect OTT to retain significant money in Ryan they’re going to have to cough up.

Um... his stats? His last fill season he put up 56 points and 54 the year before that. Every season he played more than 70 games he put up over 50 points. I’m adding little inflation by playing with Sid or Geno.

Three seasons he played 70 games or less and that threw off his point production.
- Rinosaur

2014-2015 he had 2.83 shots per game.
2015-2016 he had 2.26
2016-2017 was 1.79
This year he's at 1.52

That's a pretty steady decline for four straight years.

Plus he's scores on around 12% of his shots his entire career. If he rebounds back UP to 12% but continues shooting at his current rate, he'll score around 13 goals this year.

If his shooting % doesn't rebound, he'll score 9 goals.

If the Pens or any team expect OTT to retain significant money in Ryan they’re going to have to cough up.
- Rinosaur

I think you're looking at this wrong. Ottawa's going to have difficulty giving him away. He's way too expensive for what he brings.

2014-2015 he had 2.83 shots per game.
2015-2016 he had 2.26
2016-2017 was 1.79
This year he's at 1.52

That's a pretty steady decline for four straight years.

Plus he's scores on around 12% of his shots his entire career. If he rebounds back UP to 12% but continues shooting at his current rate, he'll score around 13 goals this year.

If his shooting % doesn't rebound, he'll score 9 goals.
- BINGO!

I think you’re not seeing what an injur-ridden season can do to production

I think you’re not seeing what an injur-ridden season can do to production
- Rinosaur

He's been injured for four years?

I think you’re not seeing what an injur-ridden season can do to production
- Rinosaur

Dude let it go man, we get it you want Bobby Ryan, you may even be friends with him, but just let it go