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washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Dec 16 @ 5:45 PM ET
Ristolainen has played almost 300 NHL games. He’s not getting much better
- sbroads24


Risto for Pysyk?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 5:45 PM ET
The age would mean something if they were still relatively new to the league.

Ristolainen is closing in on 300 games played in the NHL

Mccabe almost at 200


They are what they are.

- Sabresfan-365


Campbell played 3 years in Rochester, seeing some call-up time in 2 of them

Then played 3 years with the Sabres,
and had the lockout season

Then... at 27 years old...
became an All Star

Not all players are who they are right away
Especially when playing on crap teams
Just look at Campbell before the lockout
Young player on a struggling team trying to develop into a consistent NHL player
Took SEVEN years of Pro hockey to become an All Star

And yeah, he coincidentally got a lot better as the team did as well

Not like it’s easy to become a good player when you’re on this tire-fire of a team
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 5:47 PM ET
Like once a year I get a craving for it. Mostly for the breadsticks, but the pizza too. I'm always disappointed in the pizza aside from the crust which is awesome.
- Wetbandit1


Pizza Hit is gross
Just get the breadsticks if that’s what ya really want
There’s gotta be other Pizza that u like with good crust
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 5:48 PM ET
just got my moviepass card


pain in the ass to activate it

saw thor on big screen


suck it DC


seeing star wars tomorrow

- homiedclown



It was super easy for me to activate mine
Just takes a few minutes
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Dec 16 @ 5:50 PM ET
Pizza Hit is gross
Just get the breadsticks if that’s what ya really want
There’s gotta be other Pizza that u like with good crust

- jdfitz77


The only bread sticks I will eat 30 of is Olive Garden it's like crack cocaine
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 5:53 PM ET
Niether Campbell or Pominville hit 300 games on their early twenties.

Development isn’t about age, it’s about experience.

How much better did Zach Bogosian get after 23 years old? None

- sbroads24


Well with age, comes experience

Campbell became an AllStar at 27

You’re gonna discount his age 19-22 year old time just bc he was in the AHL?

Guys develop at different rates
Especially when they’re stuck on crappy teams
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 16 @ 5:56 PM ET
Well with age, comes experience

Campbell became an AllStar at 27

You’re gonna discount his age 19-22 year old time just bc he was in the AHL?

Guys develop at different rates
Especially when they’re stuck on crappy teams

- jdfitz77

Ristolainen has been playing big minutes for 4 straight seasons. Campbell wasn’t at 23. Their ages mean nothing
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Dec 16 @ 5:59 PM ET
Justice League made 574.3 million box office

Vs

1.519 billion box office The Avengers




jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 6:02 PM ET
Ristolainen has been playing big minutes for 4 straight seasons. Campbell wasn’t at 23. Their ages mean nothing
- sbroads24


Campbell was still developing though
Just like Risto is

You don’t stop when u hit 23
Or stop just bc you’ve played x number of games
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 16 @ 6:06 PM ET
Campbell was still developing though
Just like Risto is

You don’t stop when u hit 23
Or stop just bc you’ve played x number of games

- jdfitz77

Yeah, most players do.

He’s a fully grown man who’s had 3 different NHL coaches, and 300 games played.

What exactly hasn’t he learned yet?

Sure, he might get a little better, but he is who he is. Same with Sam
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 6:09 PM ET
Yeah, most players do.

He’s a fully grown man who’s had 3 different NHL coaches, and 300 games played.

What exactly hasn’t he learned yet?

Sure, he might get a little better, but he is who he is. Same with Sam

- sbroads24


Why?
Just bc he played in the NHL sooner?
What exactly didn’t Campbell Lear when he spent all that time in the AHL,
and then 3 more years in the NHL...?

Guys develop at different rates

And I’m pretty positive you’ve used the
“Years since they were drafted”
point in your debates
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Dec 16 @ 6:10 PM ET
Campbell was still developing though
Just like Risto is

You don’t stop when u hit 23
Or stop just bc you’ve played x number of games

- jdfitz77



im not saying either is incapable of becoming better, im saying there ceiling is unlikely to suddenly change at this point.

He's a 2/3 now, he's not suddenly going to become a #1 next year. And i think the coach theory can be pretty well dismissed at this point.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 16 @ 6:12 PM ET
im not saying either is incapable of becoming better, im saying there ceiling is unlikely to suddenly change at this point.

He's a 2/3 now, he's not suddenly going to become a #1 next year. And i think the coach theory can be pretty well dismissed at this point.

- Sabresfan-365

I think top 2 is fading fast
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 6:14 PM ET
im not saying either is incapable of becoming better, im saying there ceiling is unlikely to suddenly change at this point.

He's a 2/3 now, he's not suddenly going to become a #1 next year. And i think the coach theory can be pretty well dismissed at this point.

- Sabresfan-365


What would u say Campbell was prior to the lockout?

And then what would u say he became after, when he was 27?
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 16 @ 6:16 PM ET
What would u say Campbell was prior to the lockout?

And then what would u say he became after, when he was 27?

- jdfitz77

Why are you comparing Risto to Campbell?

How good did Myers get after his first few years of NHL experience?
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Dec 16 @ 6:19 PM ET
just got my moviepass card


pain in the ass to activate it

saw thor on big screen


suck it DC


seeing star wars tomorrow

- homiedclown


Thankfully they don't actually start your year/month, whatever until you activate the thing. It took 10 days for me to get the card. I've already seen 4 movies for a total of ~$50. They're going to lose a ton of money on me.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 16 @ 6:19 PM ET
Brian Campbell didn’t average more than 17:42 TOI until he was 27.

Risto averaged over 20 at 20 years old
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Dec 16 @ 6:21 PM ET
Has he ever had a carubba collision? His hits consist of him spinning, falling and hitting someone with his butt.

Usually it's the bridge of his nose that takes the worst of it from his helmet

- jcragcrumple


Yeah, he needs to tighten his helmet, it's way too loose.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Dec 16 @ 6:24 PM ET
Pizza Hit is gross
Just get the breadsticks if that’s what ya really want
There’s gotta be other Pizza that u like with good crust

- jdfitz77


Not like Pizza Hut's pan pizza, well there is one. Jet Pizza, they have a few places in the city, but that's just a Pizza Hut rip off anyway, and now I don't live remotely close to one.

I'm fine with it once a year.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 6:24 PM ET
Why are you comparing Risto to Campbell?

How good did Myers get after his first few years of NHL experience?

- sbroads24


I’m not comparing specific player to player

I’m saying guys aren’t necessarily the player at 23 that they will be at 28

Just using Campbell as an example

U thought Sam was done developing after he was 21?
Maybe that’s right
But it’s not always

U guys (especially you) are generally WAY too eager to declare what this guy or that guy are going to develop (or not develop) into
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Dec 16 @ 6:25 PM ET
Thankfully they don't actually start your year/month, whatever until you activate the thing. It took 10 days for me to get the card. I've already seen 4 movies for a total of ~$50. They're going to lose a ton of money on me.
- Wetbandit1

Can you watch IMAX and 4DX

Or is it just 2d ?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 16 @ 6:26 PM ET
Brian Campbell didn’t average more than 17:42 TOI until he was 27.

Risto averaged over 20 at 20 years old

- sbroads24


So what?
Risto is done developing then just bc he’s played more minutes at a younger age?

Dude still has plenty of time to get better
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Dec 16 @ 6:26 PM ET
I think top 2 is fading fast
- sbroads24


You're out of your damn mind.

Play him 4, 5 minutes less a night(22-23 still would be top pairing minutes) and his game would get better. He already does his job, idk if you expect him to do others' as well?
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Dec 16 @ 6:27 PM ET
Can you watch IMAX and 4DX

Or is it just 2d ?

- GERBE!!!75PTS


Just 2D
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Dec 16 @ 6:27 PM ET
im not saying either is incapable of becoming better, im saying there ceiling is unlikely to suddenly change at this point.

He's a 2/3 now, he's not suddenly going to become a #1 next year. And i think the coach theory can be pretty well dismissed at this point.

- Sabresfan-365


Wait, wait.
Jack Eichel is 21, and a forward (duh) who develop more quickly that D-men ... but next year when he earns $10m he is going to be top 5 scorer, win 60% of his faceoff sand be a backchecking ace to form Jesus Christ on skates...next year!
Why can’t Rist develop into Paul Coffee.
Hmmmm something isn’t right on this side of the face.
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