I like the idea of Kane. He can skate with the team and scores alot at ES. More importantly, since he fights and kills penalties, maybe he'd allow them to not need to use one dimensional guys like Kuhnhackl and Reaves on the fourth line and instead use more skilled players there since he fills their roles.

But, I don't want to pay a high premium on a rental unless we're keeping him. I'm starting to believe their legs just aren't coming back this year and maybe they just have to get a longer summer to get right. Worked for Tampa.

I hate agreeing with Boyd but Hunter S Thompson, Jack Kerouac, and William S Burroughs were rebels beyond their time and most of what they wrote was drug fueled, anti-establishment gold. Exactly what the world is in dire need of right now. Hunter killed himself because Bush got re-elected. He said in Where the Buffalo roam someday there would be someone that made Nixon look like a school boy and that’s who he thought it was and he was terrified. Johnny Depp paid for his ashes to be sent into orbit on a satellite with other famous people like Gene Rodenbury.
If you can find some of Hunters old Rolling Stones articles they are fantastic reads.
- dcoms77

Awww I love you too sweet cakes.

Also he shot Thompson's ashes out of a cannon. He didn't send them into orbit lol

I like the idea of Kane. He can skate with the team and scores alot at ES. More importantly, since he fights and kills penalties, maybe he'd allow them to not need to use one dimensional guys like Kuhnhackl and Reaves on the fourth line and instead use more skilled players there since he fills their roles.

But, I don't want to pay a high premium on a rental unless we're keeping him. I'm starting to believe their legs just aren't coming back this year and maybe they just have to get a longer summer to get right. Worked for Tampa.
- Tojo.

Agree with most of this....but we dont have a lot of premium trading assets. I think we have to prioritize 3C..

but yes, as a LW, Kane checks off a lot of boxes. GMJR is so big on leadership and team chemistry though...i see it as unlikely

Agree with most of this....but we dont have a lot of premium trading assets. I think we have to prioritize 3C..

but yes, as a LW, Kane checks off a lot of boxes. GMJR is so big on leadership and team chemistry though...i see it as unlikely
- YouMeAndDupuis9

to add onto this...in hindsight, it sucks we basically gave away Pouliot and Sundqvist for basically nothing. Those are the types of prospects that get thrown into a deal for valuable players. We dont have any of those prospect types left now. Only Sprong and he has too much potential to trade.

Agree with most of this....but we dont have a lot of premium trading assets. I think we have to prioritize 3C..

but yes, as a LW, Kane checks off a lot of boxes. GMJR is so big on leadership and team chemistry though...i see it as unlikely
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Sheahan may be a 3C. Started off rough amd I'm not completely sold, but the offense has been there for the past 14 games so he might be fine so long as the wing talent improves a bit.

I have no idea if we'd really trade for Kane. Yeah, there are character questions and I don't know if they are a lockerroom problem. On ice though, he'd be a perfect fit. For the price we'd need to pay though, it couldn't be just a rental.

to add onto this...in hindsight, it sucks we basically gave away Pouliot and Sundqvist for basically nothing. Those are the types of prospects that get thrown into a deal for valuable players. We dont have any of those prospect types left now. Only Sprong and he has too much potential to trade.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That's what kills us, wasted assets. Pouliot had no value though he sure does now. Don't think he'd even be a guy we'd look to trade right now, Pens mangled that situation. What we gave up for Reaves could have gotten a nice player though.

Pens are fading, fading, fading....too bad really. Could have been different if Rutherford did a better job. Just sayin'.

Pens are fading, fading, fading....too bad really. Could have been different if Rutherford did a better job. Just sayin'.
- powerhouse

Just a slump. Time to recover & recharge for the back end of the season. It's going to get worse before it gets better me thinks.......

Just a slump. Time to recover & recharge for the back end of the season. It's going to get worse before it gets better me thinks.......
- Aussiepenguin

I wish I could say I agree but I just can't. I do appreciate your optimism though.

I wish I could say I agree but I just can't. I do appreciate your optimism though.
- powerhouse

It just looks like our opposition has the jump on us every game. Playing the champs, they fire up - certain teams do that anyway. But this season it appears the Pens can't get to that higher level, or won't. They get the chances but aren't doing it quick enough & the opposition has time to adjust & stop the goal, while the reverse can be said about goals against.

If they can step it up (which they can), we should see some results. It's just a question of when they will put that extra effort (maybe a bad word to use), in.

It just looks like our opposition has the jump on us every game. Playing the champs, they fire up - certain teams do that anyway. But this season it appears the Pens can't get to that higher level, or won't. They get the chances but aren't doing it quick enough & the opposition has time to adjust & stop the goal, while the reverse can be said about goals against.

If they can step it up (which they can), we should see some results. It's just a question of when they will put that extra effort (maybe a bad word to use), in.
- Aussiepenguin

I see it more like a few years ago where we lacked dept and teams could contain us. It's a return to that era in my book.

What if Botterill was really the brains behind many of our trades now Ruth doesn't have him so he isn't making the best of choices...

I see it more like a few years ago where we lacked dept and teams could contain us. It's a return to that era in my book.
- powerhouse

I'd actually like to see the shots on goal difference. The Pens are getting their chances & could have won a lot more games this season than they have. I think from a few seasons ago, once they got behind that was it - they were toast. They don't do that anymore, they're nearly always fighting back. That's a huge difference in my book.

What if Botterill was really the brains behind many of our trades now Ruth doesn't have him so he isn't making the best of choices...
- 123Kid

That's a big possibility!

What if Botterill was really the brains behind many of our trades now Ruth doesn't have him so he isn't making the best of choices...
- 123Kid

Right. Solid point that makes us wonder. Reaves is a case in point.

Right. Solid point that makes us wonder. Reaves is a case in point.
- powerhouse

I don't know if it was specifically JR or Bot. I think after the Pens took a lot of physical beatings in the playoffs last year that they felt a change of direction was necessary.

Hunwick is more a physical presence than Daley and Reaves is clearly a more physical upgrade over everyone.

I think the 3C debacle had more to do with options available than anything else.

It just looks like our opposition has the jump on us every game. Playing the champs, they fire up - certain teams do that anyway. But this season it appears the Pens can't get to that higher level, or won't. They get the chances but aren't doing it quick enough & the opposition has time to adjust & stop the goal, while the reverse can be said about goals against.

If they can step it up (which they can), we should see some results. It's just a question of when they will put that extra effort (maybe a bad word to use), in.
- Aussiepenguin

And honestly, bad moves aside, the roster is bettwr then this. Simon has helped lengthen the line-up, Sheahan has been playing like a 3C for the past month, and a guy like Rust (it would be Hags for me) is on the 4th line. They just can't find the gear we all know they're capable of.

Also when I posted the Letang to Buffalo I thought what if it really was a shake up. I can't see a one for one trade. The more I think about it I can see multiple pieces getting swapped.

PENS: Okposo and Kane (one or both have salary retained)

BUFF: Hagelin, Cole, Sheary and a pick.


Or


PENS: Okposo, Kane (one or both have salary retained), Reinhart, and Ristolainen

BUFF: Letang, Hagelin, Sheary and picks.

Most will think I'm crazy, but if you think about it. Botterill has seen how Hagelins speed can change a game so he would have value to him. Also he would probably give us the highest value for our players. We would probably have to throw in higher picks with Ristolaien and Reinhart coming back, but Letang being as good as he is and being a right hand shot should have good value which may be able to land a package similar to this (plus defensemen have higher trade value). I read somewhere Pens wanted to get players who could add net front presence and still play with our current style and I feel Kane and Okposo fit that build.

That was potentially ugly.

The Pens have really struggled over the past three or four games to get the PP set up. The've been very shaky.

The Pens have really struggled over the past three or four games to get the PP set up. The've been very shaky.
- Rinosaur

Aggressive PK does that, have the Yotes been active & aggressive?

I am stuck watching the Zona PBP who are praising Domi for going after Ruhwedal and think the Yotes should go after Sid and Geno in retaliation. They actually said that. Did they forget Reaves can literally kill any and every player on their team? What a joke.

I know things have not been going our way and the coaches are desperate but saddeling Malkin with Hornqvist and Haglen is not going to work. 2 guys with bad hands means Malkin is doing everything by himself.

Did Sully rub OEL's jockstrap in Fists of Furys face before puck drop & tell him to kill kill kill?

I am stuck watching the Zona PBP who are praising Domi for going after Ruhwedal and think the Yotes should go after Sid and Geno in retaliation. They actually said that. Did they forget Reaves can literally kill any and every player on their team? What a joke.

I know things have not been going our way and the coaches are desperate but saddeling Malkin with Hornqvist and Haglen is not going to work. 2 guys with bad hands means Malkin is doing everything by himself.
- dcoms77

That's just insane. Ruhwedel is far from a dirty player. Yes, that was a bit careless on his part, but it wasn't intentional. The reaction was not warranted.

I actually think Hagelin should be tried with Sid. I remember Hagelin-Sid-Sheary at one point and that line was just buzzing around the ice. Hagelin doesn't have to worry about scoring, just his speed and puck cycling would work with both of them.

Not a fan at all? He's not my favorite writer by far, but I think he's really entertaining if you've ever dabbled in that lifestyle.
- j.boyd919

Haha I've actually never read any of his stuff. I just love dumping on Hunter S. Thompson because his fans always get super defensive and riled up. Its a low hanging fruit troll.