I just mean thinking long-term and short-term. Short-term yes, I’d take Eric. He will bring more offense.

Personally, I’d like to see the Pens make more long-term moves and it’s not like Jordan doesn’t bring a significant offense boost.
- Rinosaur

I can't imagine either team trading their Staal. Eric's contract is too good for Minny to trade away unless they were going to sell everything and rebuild (which they won't).

Carolina needs Jordan pretty badly also. He has put up pretty good numbers in Carolina going up against the toughest competition. I'd trade away a hell of a lot for him but I just don't see them having enough of the right pieces for it to make sense.

Nice! Let me try!

Pit: Galchenyuk, Petry, 1st.
Mtl: Malkin, Maata


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- Scabeh

You laugh, but Bergy traded Subban for Weber and Chia traded Hall for Larsson... Would it really be surprising to see either of them make another bad trade?

Filppula for Hagelin
- jmatchett383

Done

I can't imagine either team trading their Staal. Eric's contract is too good for Minny to trade away unless they were going to sell everything and rebuild (which they won't).

Carolina needs Jordan pretty badly also. He has put up pretty good numbers in Carolina going up against the toughest competition. I'd trade away a hell of a lot for him but I just don't see them having enough of the right pieces for it to make sense.
- MacPatty

Neither team is moving their Staal. We were just opining

I just mean thinking long-term and short-term. Short-term yes, I’d take Eric. He will bring more offense.

Personally, I’d like to see the Pens make more long-term moves and it’s not like Jordan doesn’t bring a significant offense boost.
- Rinosaur

I don't believe 3C should ever be a "long term" move. Staal is signed for another 4 or 5 years. I don't view him as a 3C, so I think paying him 6m a night to play 14-15 minutes a night is not good for business. 2-3 years max on a 3C at around 3-3.5m sounds about right when you've got already got Sid, Geno, Phil, Letang locked up to big contracts and a really pricey blueline with Schultz, Dumo, and Maatta.

Even Nuge at 6m for 3 more years is rough and is going to be difficult to fit. Someone like that means one of Dumo or Maatta would be gone, I would think, so it would just plug one hole and create another.

I don't believe 3C should ever be a "long term" move. Staal is signed for another 4 or 5 years. I don't view him as a 3C, so I think paying him 6m a night to play 14-15 minutes a night is not good for business. 2-3 years max on a 3C at around 3-3.5m sounds about right when you've got already got Sid, Geno, Phil, Letang locked up to big contracts and a really pricey blueline with Schultz, Dumo, and Maatta.

Even Nuge at 6m for 3 more years is rough and is going to be difficult to fit. Someone like that means one of Dumo or Maatta would be gone, I would think, so it would just plug one hole and create another.
- j.boyd919

But having someone like RNH at 3C allows you to spend less in the wings by virtue of the fact he can get more out of less than someone like Sheahan or even Bonino.

With Jordan I can see your point, but I think they could make it work

But having someone like RNH at 3C allows you to spend less in the wings by virtue of the fact he can get more out of less than someone like Sheahan or even Bonino
- Rinosaur

I agree. It wasn't long ago the Pens had Kessel making $6.8M on the 3rd line. The Pens also have the benefit of having Crosby, Malkin & Kessel all on great, long term contracts, where teams are now having to pay much lesser players more than them.

Also working in their favor:

1. Cheap, very good goaltending.
2. Sprong & Simon will be cheap top 9 players next year (maybe this year).
3. Only big free agent to re-sign is Hornquist.
4. The cap is headed up.

I mostly like having a high end center in the #3 spot because it will mean fewer minutes for Crosby and Malkin in the regular season and during the playoffs running 3 strong lines in tight games will be a big asset.

This thread is a great way to celebrate the aniversary of Scuderi for Daley!

But having someone like RNH at 3C allows you to spend less in the wings by virtue of the fact he can get more out of less than someone like Sheahan or even Bonino.

With Jordan I can see your point, but I think they could make it work
- Rinosaur

Yeah I get that, I definitely like Nuge over anyone on the Pens have had since Staal, but he plays 17-18 minutes a night in EDM, he's gonna come to PIT and drop to 15 minutes a night, while not getting any PP time. 5 of his 22 points are on 55 minutes of PP time. As of right now Pens 3C gets 12 minutes of ES time, that's a 2 minute drop from Nuge's 14 minutes in EDM (2 or 3 less shifts a game) and take away his 2'ish minutes of PP time a game, I would expect him to be around a ~30-35 point player on the Pens.

While I get that having Nuge will allow the Pens to deploy their 3rd line more often and not rely on double shifting Sid/Geno as often, as well as maybe dropping Kessel to Nuge... the whole dollars-->ice time-->points thing to me makes it difficult to gauge. I love the idea of Nuge (or Staal) on the Pens, just not sure how/if it could work financially.

Yeah I get that, I definitely like Nuge over anyone on the Pens have had since Staal, but he plays 17-18 minutes a night in EDM, he's gonna come to PIT and drop to 15 minutes a night, while not getting any PP time. 5 of his 22 points are on 55 minutes of PP time. As of right now Pens 3C gets 12 minutes of ES time, that's a 2 minute drop from Nuge's 14 minutes in EDM (2 or 3 less shifts a game) and take away his 2'ish minutes of PP time a game, I would expect him to be around a ~30-35 point player on the Pens.

While I get that having Nuge will allow the Pens to deploy their 3rd line more often and not rely on double shifting Sid/Geno as often, as well as maybe dropping Kessel to Nuge... the whole dollars-->ice time-->points thing to me makes it difficult to gauge. I love the idea of Nuge (or Staal) on the Pens, just not sure how/if it could work financially.
- j.boyd919

If the cap goes up to its projection, 6 mil will only look like a slight over pay for a good 3C. Nuge and Staal are top 6 players, so I wouldn't mind paying an above average rate for someone who would be the best 3C in the league and could jump up and play in the top 6 seamlessly in case of injury. You can definitely make it work due to the relatively below market value contracts of our star players, and by cycling through complimentary wingers without committing big money to replaceable players.

That being said, I don't know how we could get Nuge or Staal, unless Chi has one of his patterned brain farts and LOVES Ian Cole. I think Staal is totally out of the question unless Francis decides that although they seem on the cusp, their two consecutive seasons of disappointment means they're further out of contention than anticipated and decides to sell off some older assets and tank a bit in order to get some more blue chip young talent.

If the cap goes up to its projection, 6 mil will only look like a slight over pay for a good 3C. Nuge and Staal are top 6 players, so I wouldn't mind paying an above average rate for someone who would be the best 3C in the league and could jump up and play in the top 6 seamlessly in case of injury. You can definitely make it work due to the relatively below market value contracts of our star players, and by cycling through complimentary wingers without committing big money to replaceable players.

That being said, I don't know how we could get Nuge or Staal, unless Chi has one of his patterned brain farts and LOVES Ian Cole. I think Staal is totally out of the question unless Francis decides that although they seem on the cusp, their two consecutive seasons of disappointment means they're further out of contention than anticipated and decides to sell off some older assets and tank a bit in order to get some more blue chip young talent.
- Victoro311

Staal is basically a non-starter unless we're upgrading at C. Victor Rask is far more likely to be traded, and he's probably not being traded.

Staal is basically a non-starter unless we're upgrading at C. Victor Rask is far more likely to be traded, and he's probably not being traded.
- BINGO!

Yeah I think taking advantage of Chia being bad at his job is far more favorable to any team.

If the cap goes up to its projection, 6 mil will only look like a slight over pay for a good 3C. Nuge and Staal are top 6 players, so I wouldn't mind paying an above average rate for someone who would be the best 3C in the league and could jump up and play in the top 6 seamlessly in case of injury. You can definitely make it work due to the relatively below market value contracts of our star players, and by cycling through complimentary wingers without committing big money to replaceable players.

That being said, I don't know how we could get Nuge or Staal, unless Chi has one of his patterned brain farts and LOVES Ian Cole. I think Staal is totally out of the question unless Francis decides that although they seem on the cusp, their two consecutive seasons of disappointment means they're further out of contention than anticipated and decides to sell off some older assets and tank a bit in order to get some more blue chip young talent.
- Victoro311

I agree, don't think we have what it takes for Jordan. But Chia could be intrigued by Cole and Hagelin + some prospect or pick type deal. I think Cole + Hagelin makes the salary almost even.

Yeah I think taking advantage of Chia being bad at his job is far more favorable to any team.
- j.boyd919

Yep. Looking forward to being able to actually spend money once Dundon takes control. Apparently he's going to travel with the team and with Ron Francis for a little bit and get a feel for what he can improve right away.

It's going to be cool to have an actual billionaire owning the team.

I agree, don't think we have what it takes for Jordan. But Chia could be intrigued by Cole and Hagelin + some prospect or pick type deal. I think Cole + Hagelin makes the salary almost even.
- buckster2342

I'm not sure why so many people include hags in deals.. he's not good anymore. I don't see any value in hags. And I wasn't just pointing you out, a lot of people are throwing hags into deals.

I agree, don't think we have what it takes for Jordan. But Chia could be intrigued by Cole and Hagelin + some prospect or pick type deal. I think Cole + Hagelin makes the salary almost even.
- buckster2342

Haha that trade would be freaking out of this world. Would make us a bit thin at LW if Simon is that prospect, but I'm sure we could make it work somehow.

I'm not sure why so many people include hags in deals.. he's not good anymore. I don't see any value in hags. And I wasn't just pointing you out, a lot of people are throwing hags into deals.
- j.boyd919

I'm doing it to make the $$$ work, not because he is the valuable piece. I was going off Vic's assumption that Chia is in love with Cole. Hags makes the money work. Pick/prospect is incentive to take Hags.

I'm doing it to make the $$$ work, not because he is the valuable piece. I was going off Vic's assumption that Chia is in love with Cole. Hags makes the money work. Pick/prospect is incentive to take Hags.
- buckster2342

Yeah I get that, I wasn't really talking about you directly, but over on hockeyscap.com SO many armchair GM teams have Hags as this valued piece bringing back good/okay players and I'm just like.. Hags sucks now. No one is gonna do this lol

Yeah I get that, I wasn't really talking about you directly, but over on hockeyscap.com SO many armchair GM teams have Hags as this valued piece bringing back good/okay players and I'm just like.. Hags sucks now. No one is gonna do this lol
- j.boyd919

He is strictly a throw in to make salaries work. And that is after the Pens overpay

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