Take Polak, Carrick, Gardiner, Borgman out of lineup, and problem is solved
- PatC80

Fixed!

Take Polak out of lineup, and problem is solved
- PatC80

That should help Gardiner and Z

Fixed!
- .HOHO.

What’s wrong with Borgman?


The other three can suck it.

What’s wrong with Borgman?


The other three can suck it.
- Steven_Seagull

Fine Borgman can stay, the other 3 need to (frank) right off!

We are 5-1 with the best player on our team out of the lineup.

And still doing quite well in November/December, where Matthews has looked off (or out).
- Atomic Wedgie

Very true but of the 12 losses this year (one in OT) Leafs have sh!t the bed against lousy opponents for the most part.

Devils 6-3
Ottawa 6-3
Carolina 6-3
Philly 4-2
SJS 3-2
LA Kings 5-3
St Louis 6-4
Arizona 4-1
Florida 2-1
Washington 4-2
Vancouver 2-1
Philly 4-2

Need to get up for games against weaker teams

ALSO BURNED BECAUSE THEY SUCK

ALSO BURNED BECAUSE THEY SUCK
- BINGO!

wrong thread

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...9029&forum_id=1&page=last

wrong thread

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...9029&forum_id=1&page=last
- Tumbleweed

Applies to both teams in that situation.

wrong thread

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...9029&forum_id=1&page=last
- Tumbleweed

Gotta wonder if the Spatso suicide watch is on after losing to the Sabres last night.

Gotta wonder if the Spatso suicide watch is on after losing to the Sabres last night.
- winsix

He's still living in the glory of last year's playoffs

He's still living in the glory of last year's playoffs
- TheMussel

I hope the Sens panic and trade Hoffman away.

I know it won't be to the Habs but he's a good player.... might as well see him leave the Sens.

Hell looking at Ottawa's lineup.... it's still a mystery as to why they are so goddamn bad.

I hope the Sens panic and trade Hoffman away.

I know it won't be to the Habs but he's a good player.... might as well see him leave the Sens.

Hell looking at Ottawa's lineup.... it's still a mystery as to why they are so goddamn bad.
- Scabeh

No it isn't. Their roster (frank)ing blows. Especially on D.

No it isn't. Their roster (frank)ing blows. Especially on D.
- BINGO!

agreed.

5 bottom pairing dmen/ahler's and half a dozen or more 4th liners/ahl forwards.

plus an aging goalie who could never handle a starter's workload.

He's still living in the glory of last year's playoffs
- TheMussel

Recent events seem to indicate that living in the glory of the 16-17 season will have to do for a decade or more - and even that may depend on whether the franchise remains in Ottawa that long.

I hope the Sens panic and trade Hoffman away.

I know it won't be to the Habs but he's a good player.... might as well see him leave the Sens.

Hell looking at Ottawa's lineup.... it's still a mystery as to why they are so goddamn bad.
- Scabeh

I would no longer call throwing in the towel to be panicking.

Let's look at some back of the envelope math, shall we?

Senators currently winning at a 43% rate - on pace for a 71 point season.

Last year, you needed 95 points to get into the playoffs.

So for their remaining 53 games, they need to win at a 66% rate.

That means going 34-12-7 (you can play with the numbers - this is just one example).

Is it likely that a 9-13-7 team is going to be able to hold a closed door meeting, commit to playing better hockey, and magically turn it around to close out the season 34-12-7?

The Senators' season is over. Trading away players isn't panicking - it's smart.

No it isn't. Their roster (frank)ing blows. Especially on D.
- BINGO!

Karlsson is Karlsson, might play injured or something but he's one of, if not the best defenseman in the game today.

Phaneuf is a solid 2nd pairing option, despite all of you hating him.

Ceci sucks and is overrated as balls.

Borowiecki sucks

Oduya is over the hill.

You might be on to something Bingo old pal.... I guess Methot WAS important to them.

Karlsson is Karlsson, might play injured or something but he's one of, if not the best defenseman in the game today.

Phaneuf is a solid 2nd pairing option, despite all of you hating him.

Ceci sucks and is overrated as balls.

Borowiecki sucks

Oduya is over the hill.

You might be on to something Bingo old pal.... I guess Methot WAS important to them.


- Scabeh

this is such a myth. phaneuf was an offensive dman, who hit hard and sucked in his own zone. constantly hemmed in.

now the offense has dried up, he's basically useless.

I would no longer call throwing in the towel to be panicking.

Let's look at some back of the envelope math, shall we?

Senators currently winning at a 43% rate - on pace for a 71 point season.

Last year, you needed 95 points to get into the playoffs.

So for their remaining 53 games, they need to win at a 66% rate.

That means going 34-12-7 (you can play with the numbers - this is just one example).

Is it likely that a 9-13-7 team is going to be able to hold a closed door meeting, commit to playing better hockey, and magically turn it around to close out the season 34-12-7?

The Senators' season is over. Trading away players isn't panicking - it's smart.
- Atomic Wedgie

Trading away players you don't believe can help you make this team better, sure.

Hoffman is a good player, not signed at a horrible contract.... if he IS the guy going away.... they better get something good for him.

Bobby Ryan, Zack Smith, Burrows, Phaneuf, Ceci... now those are the guys you want to ship away.

this is such a myth. phaneuf was an offensive dman, who hit hard and sucked in his own zone. constantly hemmed in.

now the offense has dried up, he's basically useless.
- Tumbleweed

Phaneuf is still a guy that bring a team 30ish points while being a physical presence on the backend and not a complete pylon.

He's not worth the money, he's should have never been considered a #1 defenseman...

But he's a decent #3-4 on most team.

Imo.

Trading away players you don't believe can help you make this team better, sure.

Hoffman is a good player, not signed at a horrible contract.... if he IS the guy going away.... they better get something good for him.

Bobby Ryan, Zack Smith, Burrows, Phaneuf, Ceci... now those are the guys you want to ship away.
- Scabeh

sens don't have enough picks to include in a deal to ship ryan away, let alone the rest.

though some gm may overpay for ceci

sens don't have enough picks to include in a deal to ship ryan away, let alone the rest.
- Tumbleweed

Didn't they protect him @ the expansion draft?

For some reason?

Edit: No they didn't.

Karlsson is Karlsson, might play injured or something but he's one of, if not the best defenseman in the game today.

Phaneuf is a solid 2nd pairing option, despite all of you hating him.

Ceci sucks and is overrated as balls.

Borowiecki sucks

Oduya is over the hill.

You might be on to something Bingo old pal.... I guess Methot WAS important to them.


- Scabeh

Bobby Ryan has one goal this year. ONE. And costs $7.25 Million per year.

sens don't have enough picks to include in a deal to ship ryan away, let alone the rest.

though some gm may overpay for ceci
- Tumbleweed

If they package Logan Brown with Ryan i'd take him on.

Bobby Ryan has one goal this year. ONE. And costs $7.25 Million per year.
- BINGO!

He somehow turned it on in the playoffs.

But yeah that's one of the worst value contract out there.

Phaneuf is still a guy that bring a team 30ish points while being a physical presence on the backend and not a complete pylon.

He's not worth the money, he's should have never been considered a #1 defenseman...

But he's a decent #3-4 on most team.

Imo.
- Scabeh

What about when he's 34? It won't be pretty.