Maybe Panik’s problem is no Hossa. My understanding is that as good as it was to watch Hossa do his Hossa stuff game in and game out, he was also an incredibly valuable presence in the locker room and in just being around the team. Maybe Hossa was wearing off on Panik last year and contributed to Panik’s improved play back then.
- Spec41971

Well Hoss is (unfortunately) gone. So Panik is going to have to grow up and put on his big boy pants. He's a pro hockey player, if he needs continual hand holding then maybe he should enroll in the Big Brothers program.

WoW. Huge callout. At least we didn't give up anything for this guy...sounds like Toronto just wanted him out of the system.
- kwolf68

Another thing to consider is this... most of our team is not playing well. Calling out 14 is fine, but alot of guys (19 and 2) have been really bad this year. And yes this is a Hawks team treading water at the bottom of the conference. The whole team needs a boot in the a$$ outside of the 4th line.

Another thing to consider is this... most of our team is not playing well. Calling out 14 is fine, but alot of guys (19 and 2) have been really bad this year. And yes this is a Hawks team treading water at the bottom of the conference. The whole team needs a boot in the a$$ outside of the 4th line.
- z1990z

Sure, is Q calling out Panik a double standard here? I don't know. Maybe Panik's effort is not to Q's liking and 19 and 2 are at least trying to do what's right.

Sure, is Q calling out Panik a double standard here? I don't know. Maybe Panik's effort is not to Q's liking and 19 and 2 are at least trying to do what's right.
- kwolf68

Not to mention they have a little bit more of a track record of success than Panik

Not to mention they have a little bit more of a track record of success than Panik
- BlazinMike

Yea, then there is that.

Brassard to Chi for Panik and Kempny

Brassard has the speed and skill set to play with Kane. Makes us very deep down the middle, which, if you look at the rest of our division, is an area we need to be deep. I believe the cap hit would work as well.

Brassard to Chi for Panik and Kempny

Brassard has the speed and skill set to play with Kane. Makes us very deep down the middle, which, if you look at the rest of our division, is an area we need to be deep. I believe the cap hit would work as well.
- nickmo2699

Including Kempny is an overpay IMO. Something smaller like a sixth round pick.

Including Kempny is an overpay IMO. Something smaller like a sixth round pick.
- walleyeb1

Kempny is a UFA isn't he?

I'd probably do Kempy + Panik for Brassard. This helps the Hawks this year and next while Brassard is under control. Hawks have depth at wing. This address center. Kempny is not helping now anyway and the Hawks need to add pieces for a run this year...whatever that run leads to.

Though if Ottawa gets hands on any footage of Hawks games over the last month they will have no interest in Panik.

I am thinking Pageau is still the guy...he'd be cheaper and he's actually a bit better on draws. Pageau would also be clear #3 center. AA can handle L2-C duties.

Kempny is a UFA isn't he?

I'd probably do Kempy + Panik for Brassard. This helps the Hawks this year and next while Brassard is under control. Hawks have depth at wing. This address center. Kempny is not helping now anyway and the Hawks need to add pieces for a run this year...whatever that run leads to.
- kwolf68

That was my thought process as well. Brassard was playing a lot of minutes on some good teams with NYR w/ Zuccarello on his flank and I think he is a pivot that could really help establish our depth down the middle!

Panik for whatever reason does not play with the same consistency and tempo I saw in 2015-16 season and I think he could help Ottawa with a manageable cap hit to free up for Karlsson. Kempny is hard to watch go because I think he is a product of Q's BS, but he would make the deal a definite for Melnyk one would assume.

I know it's early, but Vinnie has done very well on faceoffs in his two games...13/22 so far. I am not a HUGE fan of tiny little guys playing center, but there are exceptions to that (see Johnson, Tyler).

Kempny is a UFA isn't he?

I'd probably do Kempy + Panik for Brassard. This helps the Hawks this year and next while Brassard is under control. Hawks have depth at wing. This address center. Kempny is not helping now anyway and the Hawks need to add pieces for a run this year...whatever that run leads to.

Though if Ottawa gets hands on any footage of Hawks games over the last month they will have no interest in Panik.

I am thinking Pageau is still the guy...he'd be cheaper and he's actually a bit better on draws. Pageau would also be clear #3 center. AA can handle L2-C duties.
- kwolf68

Yeah I tend to agree with that, Panik for Pageau straight up.

Yeah I tend to agree with that, Panik for Pageau straight up.
- walleyeb1

Yea absolutely would do it. I'd even give them a meh prospect, like Gustaffson or Pokka. Afterall, Panik has some baggage in that he has played absolutely pathetic hockey for at least a month now. Hard to trade guys like that.

Well Hoss is (unfortunately) gone. So Panik is going to have to grow up and put on his big boy pants. He's a pro hockey player, if he needs continual hand holding then maybe he should enroll in the Big Brothers program.
- kwolf68

Whats Panik made - $2.8MM - does he really need a babysitter?

Yeah I tend to agree with that, Panik for Pageau straight up.
- walleyeb1

I think the Sens are looking for some scorer(s) to play with Matt Duchene rather than defense. Pageau can be a streaky scorer (I think he had 4 goals in a playoff game last year!). Maybe something like Panik and Fortin (or someone like him) for Pageau would make more sense for Ottawa.

Whats Panik made - $2.8MM - does he really need a babysitter?
- glennjpawlak22

You wouldn't think so.

You wouldn't think so.
- kwolf68

someone pls forward to Panik a HOSSA jpeg for his screen saver!!!

Brassard to Chi for Panik and Kempny

Brassard has the speed and skill set to play with Kane. Makes us very deep down the middle, which, if you look at the rest of our division, is an area we need to be deep. I believe the cap hit would work as well.
- nickmo2699

How about hinistroza + a pick for Brassard. Would Ottawa do that?

I have been a big defender of panik even back 2 years ago once I saw him for 10-15 games. But the 2 things I notice are last year he was flying up and down the ice both on OFF and DEF and he showed serviceable hands. The last 10-15 games he has not played as hard every shift (kane,Seabs) and his hands have gone from Avg to Mashinter. I assume its a loss of confidence and rhythm? IE I assume handling the puck effectively is instinctive and feel and if you are thinking about puck handling its not going to really work?

Panik's problem is that he isn't playing for a contract anymore

He is/was a 3rd line player at best.

Panik's problem is that he isn't playing for a contract anymore

He is/was a 3rd line player at best.
- PatShart

see E. Kane

Pagu is 25 brassard is 30 and pagu 3 more years at 3.1 and brassard 2 more at 5 mil. Pagu since he has been a regular has 44 goals 64 assists in 242 games and is over 52% at the Dot. Brassard over his last 109 games has 20 and 36 and is at 49.5%. brassard has been better but he we know its rare for guys that have played 700 NHL games that he is going to keep up his mid 20's production. Also there zone starts are flipped Brassard 60-40 and Pagu 40-60. Brassard corsi is just above 50% last few years and Pagu is 45%.

How about hinistroza + a pick for Brassard. Would Ottawa do that?
- ToewsdNKanefusd

Not viable money wise

There seems to be a completely out of bounds valuation concerning Danault - he is a below average to average player at best. I wouldn’t want him but he wouldn’t demand a lot in return.

Hogs and Wolves play tonight at 7 on UTOO WCIU sports I believe if anyone wants to check it out before or during the Hawks game.

http://www.wciu.com/files/channel_grid.pdf

I have Direct TV so I can't watch it.

His problem is that he has reverted to his former self after getting contract security. I can take the lack of goals, but lack of effort and hitting I cannot.
You cannot jump the gun with big contracts for guys who have shown a history for inconsistency. There was a reason for his bouncing from team to team.
- 67hawks

His problem is the game is moving too fast for him right now. He is not playing with instinct. Too much thinking not enough reacting. That is why he loses the puck a lot and never seems to “one-time” shots. He always over-possesses the puck which results in lost pucks. He is also over-thinking defensively - doesn’t just attack, take body, win puck. He needs to play down the line-up where less pressure to produce - right now he is squeezing his stick so hard he is going to snap it.