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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:28 PM ET
He's been solid.

Currently, he's playing banged up a bit.

He's been used at C and W and was immediately put into a leadership role by Colliton; he's one of the Assistant Captains.

I've heard he's working on his 200 foot game and working on faceoffs (when he plays C). They have plans for him to get a full year in Rockford, unless his play (or injuries) dictate otherwise. There, he will learn under Colliton and challenge for a bottom 6 role in 2018-19.

- Justin Lowe

Thanks for the intel on Dauphin. Developing the prospects the right way is a good direction for this team needing a stronger pipeline of prospects and restock the farm system.

As for the bolded part, just an observation, but whenever I look at the Ice Hogs lineup for each game it seems like they're rotating captains every few games. They don't have a C, but name 3 A's per game.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Dec 12 @ 12:29 PM ET
Thanks for the analysis. Always nice to read player evaluations whether from scouts, reporters, bloggers, or fans. Yeah, I agree that his marked improvement and offensive contributions are a nice surprise.

While it could be strictly coincidence that Ulf is the defense coach, Colliton has a strong track record of developing players after coaching in Sweden, and the Hawks have an affinity for Swedes especially blueliners, it is still great for the team to leverage these converging factors and try to build up a Swedish empire on D.

Forsling is a keeper, Dahlstrom is progressing well, Carlsson projects to be an NHLer. Then there are others like Norell, Press, Svedberg, Gustafson, etc. but I don't expect much from any of them. Still though, having half of the future D corps being Swedes could be a great foundation on the backend with say Murphy, Rutta, Seabrook, and Keith.

Even if some of those youngsters don't pan out, there are other prospects like Jokiharju, Tuulola, Snuggerud, Krys, and Mitchell.

- AEL_Fox


The Hawks changed their draft strategy a bit the couple of years.

Having more emphasis on building and growing defence is an encouraging sign (IMO). Look at ANA and NAS.

We know Keith is going away/slowing down one day and I would prefer not to have the Red Wings/Lidstrom effect.

Let's hope a couple of these guys come out on the other side as difference makers in the NHL.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:30 PM ET
Hartman, Panik & Sharp can all be sent out of town. Sharp’s done, Panik has moved back to his normal level of play, and Hartman is back to taking stupid penalties, with little offensive upside.

Give the 4th line more ice time, those 3 bring it every night.
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:30 PM ET
Thanks for the intel on Dauphin. Developing the prospects the right way is a good direction for this team needing a stronger pipeline of prospects and restock the farm system.

As for the bolded part, just an observation, but whenever I look at the Ice Hogs lineup for each game it seems like they're rotating captains every few games. They don't have a C, but name 3 A's per game.

- AEL_Fox


That's another thing Tallon had a good grasp on as well. Guys like Bolland, Brouwer, Hammer, etc. all were developed and played large roies on Cup teams!
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Dec 12 @ 12:33 PM ET
Thanks for the intel on Dauphin. Developing the prospects the right way is a good direction for this team needing a stronger pipeline of prospects and restock the farm system.

As for the bolded part, just an observation, but whenever I look at the Ice Hogs lineup for each game it seems like they're rotating captains every few games. They don't have a C, but name 3 A's per game.

- AEL_Fox


You're right, they have alternated a bit, but was a telling sign that Colliton pegged Dauphin, Pokka and Luke Johnson as leaders on this team from day 1.

Vinne, Gustafsson, Martinsen (since his arrival has been in a leadership role) and Svedberg have all had some time with an A as well.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Dec 12 @ 12:34 PM ET
That's another thing Tallon had a good grasp on as well. Guys like Bolland, Brouwer, Hammer, etc. all were developed and played large roies on Cup teams!
- nickmo2699


Yep - you nailed it.

You need those guys and Tallon had a great read / desire to bring in character guys.

Stan is trying to bring back those players.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Dec 12 @ 12:36 PM ET
Thanks for the analysis. Always nice to read player evaluations whether from scouts, reporters, bloggers, or fans. Yeah, I agree that his marked improvement and offensive contributions are a nice surprise.

While it could be strictly coincidence that Ulf is the defense coach, Colliton has a strong track record of developing players after coaching in Sweden, and the Hawks have an affinity for Swedes especially blueliners, it is still great for the team to leverage these converging factors and try to build up a Swedish empire on D.

Forsling is a keeper, Dahlstrom is progressing well, Carlsson projects to be an NHLer. Then there are others like Norell, Press, Svedberg, Gustafson, etc. but I don't expect much from any of them. Still though, having half of the future D corps being Swedes could be a great foundation on the backend with say Murphy, Rutta, Seabrook, and Keith.

Even if some of those youngsters don't pan out, there are other prospects like Jokiharju, Tuulola, Snuggerud, Krys, and Mitchell.

- AEL_Fox


Someone thinking along the same line as myself. I saw how involved in plays both ends of ice, i noticed his skating and poise, i saw he avoided delivering a check. Sleeper, only first full season. So now he has taken another step. Watch Norrel. He may not stand out at first, but could develop as a solid guy.

A lot of people were praising Raydysh and sure enough he sticks and plays AHL. The thing about Carlsson and Tuulola that was conjecture i read - possibly The Athletic - is that their continued development in their respective leagues is such that they could be ready for North America next fall. Large jump to NHL so figure AHL. But...but
NOTICE this: they have skill set and i think both, Carlsson for sure, can skate like crazy. Thus is an advantage in NHL which is trending more to speed, good skaters. D Keith will last top notch skater how much longer? Just pointing this out.

Those two and maybe Dahlstrom are closest. Has Snuggerud been picking up how to play defense from the defensive on the job training. If Press was advanced and or good enough then he would have pushed Raydysh to ECHL.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Dec 12 @ 12:38 PM ET
The Hawks changed their draft strategy a bit the couple of years.

Having more emphasis on building and growing defence is an encouraging sign (IMO). Look at ANA and NAS.

We know Keith is going away/slowing down one day and I would prefer not to have the Red Wings/Lidstrom effect.

Let's hope a couple of these guys come out on the other side as difference makers in the NHL.

- Justin Lowe


Bob Murray drafts a plethora of tough nosed wing and dmen early
jt19
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: LAINGSBURG, MI
Joined: 11.20.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:42 PM ET
still the question remains... where do we trade Kempny to? and for what return?
JRoenick97
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spokane, WA
Joined: 07.20.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:43 PM ET
Yes please. Third line center who can win some faceoffs. And he should not be too terribly expensive either.
- kwolf68

I think I'd rather have Brassard. Gritty center who can win draws and get nasty. 1 year left on his deal after this year. Him or AA at 3C is a solid upgrade and can keep wingers on the wing (and Schmaltz).
nickmo2699
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.06.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:45 PM ET
still the question remains... where do we trade Kempny to? and for what return?
- jt19


Might not be as good a skater but this looks awfully familiar to Leddy situation. Q needs to let this kid play 10-12 games. He can play and for his size brings the physicality. Can't see his morale being high watching Ruuta play and he cant scratch the line up.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:46 PM ET
I think I'd rather have Brassard. Gritty center who can win draws and get nasty. 1 year left on his deal after this year. Him or AA at 3C is a solid upgrade and can keep wingers on the wing (and Schmaltz).
- JRoenick97


Either will work for me.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:52 PM ET
Bob Murray drafts a plethora of tough nosed wing and dmen early
- jhawk59

You forgot to add "dirty" to that description of Duck wingers. Perry leads the pack, recent #1 draftee Max Jones fits the description, and then there's Nick "Sucker Punch" Ritchie.

No argument on their D draftees. Good choices lately for the Ducks with Fowler, Lindholm, Manson, Montour, Vatanen (Devils), Theodore (Knights), etc.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:56 PM ET
Someone thinking along the same line as myself. I saw how involved in plays both ends of ice, i noticed his skating and poise, i saw he avoided delivering a check. Sleeper, only first full season. So now he has taken another step. Watch Norrel. He may not stand out at first, but could develop as a solid guy.

A lot of people were praising Raydysh and sure enough he sticks and plays AHL. The thing about Carlsson and Tuulola that was conjecture i read - possibly The Athletic - is that their continued development in their respective leagues is such that they could be ready for North America next fall. Large jump to NHL so figure AHL. But...but
NOTICE this: they have skill set and i think both, Carlsson for sure, can skate like crazy. Thus is an advantage in NHL which is trending more to speed, good skaters. D Keith will last top notch skater how much longer? Just pointing this out.

Those two and maybe Dahlstrom are closest. Has Snuggerud been picking up how to play defense from the defensive on the job training. If Press was advanced and or good enough then he would have pushed Raydysh to ECHL.

- jhawk59

Raddysh would be a nice sleeper. Basically free money.

Of the current Swedish d-men in Rockford that I mentioned (Norell, Press, Svedberg, and Gustafsson), from what I've read, Norell may be the one to eventually rise from the pack even though he's the smallest. Who knows but you'd think at least one if not 2 of the current Swedish Hogs will eventually make the Hawks within the next few years.

I believe Carlsson has the biggest upside of the Swedish prospects and potential to play top 4 on D.
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Dec 12 @ 1:08 PM ET
I think I'd rather have Brassard. Gritty center who can win draws and get nasty. 1 year left on his deal after this year. Him or AA at 3C is a solid upgrade and can keep wingers on the wing (and Schmaltz).
- JRoenick97


When was Brassard gritty? Honest question, ive always viewed him as a more offensive/finesse type player but have only seen him when he plays against the hawks for the most part.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Dec 12 @ 1:08 PM ET
I think it looks like this...



- DarthKane


I have to buy you a beer next time I am up your direction, you make this bearable...
JRoenick97
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spokane, WA
Joined: 07.20.2012

Dec 12 @ 1:18 PM ET
When was Brassard gritty? Honest question, ive always viewed him as a more offensive/finesse type player but have only seen him when he plays against the hawks for the most part.
- BlazinMike

He has several 100 plus hit seasons. He is nasty in his own defensive zone.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Dec 12 @ 1:33 PM ET
Yes please. Third line center who can win some faceoffs. And he should not be too terribly expensive either.
- kwolf68

Panik and 4th 2019 for pague to much not enough. Thoughts if not that then what would depend on what ottawa is looking for?
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Dec 12 @ 1:36 PM ET
Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers

Quenneville on what he hopes Panik takes from being scratched: "Whether he’s shooting or around the net, disturbing there, but having the puck and keeping it more than as opposed to being a dead-end at that end when he does get around it."

Quenneville on Panik: "I think his career has been a situation where trying to put it all together game-in, game-out over a long stretch is the challenge."

Motivational or de-motivational? Discuss
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Dec 12 @ 1:40 PM ET
Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers

Quenneville on what he hopes Panik takes from being scratched: "Whether he’s shooting or around the net, disturbing there, but having the puck and keeping it more than as opposed to being a dead-end at that end when he does get around it."

Quenneville on Panik: "I think his career has been a situation where trying to put it all together game-in, game-out over a long stretch is the challenge."

Motivational or de-motivational? Discuss

- pdx2ord



He has been called out by his HC. Should motivate him I would think. And what is the stuff about the Sens and a possible trade of Karlson?? Is that BS or what?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Dec 12 @ 1:45 PM ET
Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers

Quenneville on what he hopes Panik takes from being scratched: "Whether he’s shooting or around the net, disturbing there, but having the puck and keeping it more than as opposed to being a dead-end at that end when he does get around it."

Quenneville on Panik: "I think his career has been a situation where trying to put it all together game-in, game-out over a long stretch is the challenge."

Motivational or de-motivational? Discuss

- pdx2ord


The new Bickell...
hawk35
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NF
Joined: 08.26.2009

Dec 12 @ 1:53 PM ET
Hawks right on the bubble of a playoff spot. Yet, still officially outside.

A win tonight would be fantastic, and Florida is a team the Hawks SHOULD beat.

Go Hawks, make it 3 in a row!!!!!
Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Dec 12 @ 1:55 PM ET
He has been called out by his HC. Should motivate him I would think. And what is the stuff about the Sens and a possible trade of Karlson?? Is that BS or what?
- z1990z


Melnyk was not happy when Karlsson publicly stated “when I sign anywhere it will be for my full value and not a Penny less”.

Unlikely he’s moved but with Melynk in tough for Cash it’s starting to look like the Pocklingtin - Gretzky saga and we all know how that turned out.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Dec 12 @ 1:55 PM ET
Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers

Quenneville on what he hopes Panik takes from being scratched: "Whether he’s shooting or around the net, disturbing there, but having the puck and keeping it more than as opposed to being a dead-end at that end when he does get around it."

Quenneville on Panik: "I think his career has been a situation where trying to put it all together game-in, game-out over a long stretch is the challenge."

Motivational or de-motivational? Discuss

- pdx2ord


WoW. Huge callout. At least we didn't give up anything for this guy...sounds like Toronto just wanted him out of the system.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Dec 12 @ 2:06 PM ET
I think it looks like this...



- DarthKane


Maybe Panik’s problem is no Hossa. My understanding is that as good as it was to watch Hossa do his Hossa stuff game in and game out, he was also an incredibly valuable presence in the locker room and in just being around the team. Maybe Hossa was wearing off on Panik last year and contributed to Panik’s improved play back then.
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