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Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Dec 13 @ 8:51 PM ET
Curious where did you get that stat from?
- walleyeb1


Sports net in Canada
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM ET
Fact
- EnzoD



Realistically he should be making 5 million and centering the second line.

6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM ET
A decent power play wouldn't hurt but I tweeted this last night....

Those who want to place all the blame on the Hawks woes on their power play (15.6%) KIM-The Blues lead the West with a PP of 16.8%, the Jackets lead the Metro with a PP batting 9.4%.

The Hawks won 3 Cups and never had a top a power play....There's more to the lack of scoring than a poor power play. If memory serves me the Penguins won Cups without a top power play as well.

- Al



I hear ya, and I'm sure you're right. But a dangerous PP would take a lot of pressure off. The later the season gets the more it's going to matter. And it would sure help keep the window open. IMO, the best way to deal with the cap strap is a good PP.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM ET
I hear ya, and I'm sure you're right. But a dangerous PP would take a lot of pressure off. The later the season gets the more it's going to matter. And it would sure help keep the window open. IMO, the best way to deal with the cap strap is a good PP.
- 6628

I remember the Bruins had an awful PP when they won in 2012, also.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM ET
I remember the Bruins had an awful PP when they won in 2012, also.
- 333inthe3rd



Yup, amazing
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM ET
Chad Krys was cut from a WJC tryout roster - again. He was used sparingly when on the squad at 17, cut at age 18, 19, and now again. The issue is that coaches feel they can get enough of the superb things he does exceedingly well more than anyone else, yet his deficiencies scare them

This is an unfair cut, claims one person who rates junior players.

Krys is small, can be outmuscled for pucks and prone to turnovers. He is very fast and can play fast, gets a lot of shots on net. He carries the mail.

This season no other NJCAA for USA dman is close to him in shots.

He seems like a T Daley type. But more capable offensively. How he develops i dk. He could be special on pp and a third pair if he makes the NHL? I compare his offendive game to another prospect who is top notch in his own way- Jokiharju. Both seem to need to conquer the size issue before they can play NHL. Both could therefore need developmental time in Rockford?

This is why the two foreign guys intrigue. Carlson and Tuulola are in a position where they keep improving this year then transition well to NHL. You've heard me blabber on about their skating. Other:Snuggerud is learning to play defense. But is very good offensively in his own way. Dahlstrom reportedly has stepped up his development.

All these guys are offensive, maybe Carlson more shut down and less offensive.

Kempny looks like failue as the big tough mobile complement. Darn it.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM ET
I hear ya, and I'm sure you're right. But a dangerous PP would take a lot of pressure off. The later the season gets the more it's going to matter. And it would sure help keep the window open. IMO, the best way to deal with the cap strap is a good PP.
- 6628

Agree with that perspective. Honestly, the PP just needs to be dangerous and generate high-quality scoring chances every time out even if they end up not being able to get the puck past the goalie who alone can be the difference. The Hawks PP scares no one and other teams don't have to try hard to kill penalties which means more energy for their own PP chances as well as even strength.

Even if the Hawks end up in the lower third of the league, the PP needs to pressure the other team, tire them out, and generate momentum for the good guys.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 13 @ 10:09 PM ET
I hear ya, and I'm sure you're right. But a dangerous PP would take a lot of pressure off. The later the season gets the more it's going to matter. And it would sure help keep the window open. IMO, the best way to deal with the cap strap is a good PP.
- 6628


It would help but I think it would be better and maybe easier to improve the 5 on 5 play. It seems to me when a PP or PK starts out bad it never fully rebounds and I have no idea why. The Jackets shooting below 10% compared to having a good power play last year is very odd....Panarin-Saad swap can't be a meaningful reason, otherwise they have basically the same crew.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Dec 13 @ 10:15 PM ET
I remember the Bruins had an awful PP when they won in 2012, also.
- 333inthe3rd

Oops, I meant 2011. The LAK won in 2012, of course.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Dec 13 @ 10:23 PM ET
It would help but I think it would be better and maybe easier to improve the 5 on 5 play. It seems to me when a PP or PK starts out bad it never fully rebounds and I have no idea why. The Jackets shooting below 10% compared to having a good power play last year is very odd....Panarin-Saad swap can't be a meaningful reason, otherwise they have basically the same crew.
- Al


When you lose the OZ faceoff most of the time and the puck goes 200 feet down to your goalie that's 30 seconds lost right off the bat. And then their zone entries become stuff from Little League.

And if they ever do get set up, there is little or no traffic in front of the net screening the goalie or looking for rebounds and loose pucks. That's something Panik should be doing or even Hayden or Hartman. Tough job but that's what guys like Patric Horqvist make their living at.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 13 @ 10:29 PM ET
When you lose the OZ faceoff most of the time and the puck goes 200 feet down to your goalie that's 30 seconds lost right off the bat. And then their zone entries become stuff from Little League.

And if they ever do get set up, there is little or no traffic in front of the net screening the goalie or looking for rebounds and loose pucks. That's something Panik should be doing or even Hayden or Hartman. Tough job but that's what guys like Patric Horqvist make their living at.

- RickJ


....Not to forget Duncan Keith hasn't scored a goal and Seabrook is shooting 1.9%. Losing Shaw left hole when it comes to screeners.

All I know for sure is Kane shouldn't ever be on the point on the power play...If I was an opposing coach I would pay Q to put him there.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 13 @ 10:30 PM ET
It would help but I think it would be better and maybe easier to improve the 5 on 5 play. It seems to me when a PP or PK starts out bad it never fully rebounds and I have no idea why. The Jackets shooting below 10% compared to having a good power play last year is very odd....Panarin-Saad swap can't be a meaningful reason, otherwise they have basically the same crew.
- Al



Al I'm going to disagree with the bolded. Their inability to transition 5 on 5 is not good as you have pointed out earlier probably because of the opposition forechecking pressure, and there's no advantage in manpower. On the PP there is not usually much of a fore check. They really need to take advantage of that. I have to think it's easier when there's less pressure in their own zone on the PP. Gaining the zone with possession is usually the hard part. Any slug can go to the net, but he's wasting his time if they won't aggressively shoot the puck. Beyond words brutal to watch this PP. It's like they use it as a timeout to take a rest.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 13 @ 10:31 PM ET
....Not to forget Duncan Keith hasn't scored a goal and Seabrook is shooting 1.9%. Losing Shaw left hole when it comes to screeners.

All I know for sure is Kane shouldn't ever be on the point on the power play...If I was an opposing coach I would pay Q to put him there.

- Al



Love this
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 13 @ 10:32 PM ET
When you lose the OZ faceoff most of the time and the puck goes 200 feet down to your goalie that's 30 seconds lost right off the bat. And then their zone entries become stuff from Little League.

And if they ever do get set up, there is little or no traffic in front of the net screening the goalie or looking for rebounds and loose pucks. That's something Panik should be doing or even Hayden or Hartman. Tough job but that's what guys like Patric Horqvist make their living at.

- RickJ



Well said
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 13 @ 10:36 PM ET
Al I'm going to disagree with the bolded. Their inability to transition 5 on 5 is not good as you have pointed out earlier probably because of the opposition forechecking pressure, and there's no advantage in manpower. On the PP there is not usually much of a fore check. They really need to take advantage of that. I have to think it's easier when there's less pressure in their own zone on the PP. Gaining the zone with possession is usually the hard part. Any slug can go to the net, but he's wasting his time if they won't aggressively shoot the puck. Beyond words brutal to watch this PP. It's like they use it as a timeout to take a rest.
- 6628


I see your point and I don't know they can improve that much 5 on 5 with the same personal. It looks to me they need another dman, and maybe more than that another center. They aren't going to win in the playoffs, if they get there, without the 3rd line improving and the better players doing more.

The d-men start the play that could get the transition going and lead to faster play and more goals.....But that has been sporadic too.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 13 @ 10:52 PM ET
....Not to forget Duncan Keith hasn't scored a goal and Seabrook is shooting 1.9%. Losing Shaw left hole when it comes to screeners.

All I know for sure is Kane shouldn't ever be on the point on the power play...If I was an opposing coach I would pay Q to put him there.

- Al



maybe they are...no other explanation...

it was well documented even by Q that losing shaw and his net front ability with screens would really hurt and it has...
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Dec 13 @ 10:58 PM ET
maybe they are...no other explanation...

it was well documented even by Q that losing shaw and his net front ability with screens would really hurt and it has...

- bogiedoc


Seabrook for Shaw
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Dec 13 @ 11:00 PM ET
A decent power play wouldn't hurt but I tweeted this last night....

Those who want to place all the blame on the Hawks woes on their power play (15.6%) KIM-The Blues lead the West with a PP of 16.8%, the Jackets lead the Metro with a PP batting 9.4%.

The Hawks won 3 Cups and never had a top a power play....There's more to the lack of scoring than a poor power play. If memory serves me the Penguins won Cups without a top power play as well.

- Al


pp play is way overrated...but the hawks strategically and tactically are just a mess and their 5 on 5 has been inconsistent; hence the powerless play really stand outs

its their pk and craw that is giving them the chance to win games...

seabs and keith on the pp = about 35 minutes this year and 0, Zero, Nada goals scored during that time...WHAT THE HELL IS THIS!!
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Dec 13 @ 11:26 PM ET
I see your point and I don't know they can improve that much 5 on 5 with the same personal. It looks to me they need another dman, and maybe more than that another center. They aren't going to win in the playoffs, if they get there, without the 3rd line improving and the better players doing more.

The d-men start the play that could get the transition going and lead to faster play and more goals.....But that has been sporadic too.

- Al


This is true, and I believe you've also said before how important the bottom 6(especially the 3rd scoring line) becomes during the post season, and how typically the team with the best 3rd and 4th lines wins the Cup.

Just taking a look at their line combos as of tonight, how about the Nashville Predators new "3rd" line: Johansen, Bonino, Arvidsson

Combine that with what will be probably the best Dcore in the league when Ellis returns.....A) I don't see how in the world the Hawks can possibly match that roster quality no matter how many trades/additions they make. And B) The Preds might just overtake the Lightning as my new favorite to win the Cup
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Dec 13 @ 11:26 PM ET
Love this
- 6628


Me too! Al strikes again.

Great insight pal. Love when you pop in to chat.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Dec 13 @ 11:33 PM ET
When you lose the OZ faceoff most of the time and the puck goes 200 feet down to your goalie that's 30 seconds lost right off the bat. And then their zone entries become stuff from Little League.

And if they ever do get set up, there is little or no traffic in front of the net screening the goalie or looking for rebounds and loose pucks. That's something Panik should be doing or even Hayden or Hartman. Tough job but that's what guys like Patric Horqvist make their living at.

- RickJ


With you here, Rick.

The best PPs I've seen are the ones that have constant net front + 2-3 players moving in sync (ie. Cutting through the slot, rotating, etc.) which the Hawks look like they've tried on about 4 PPs this year.

It's hard to defend when there are so many moving parts which cause confusion among the PKers.

The Hawks for years have been so predictable with perimeter play and the back door pass.

Time to evolve. Everyone sees it, not sure why Q and Co can't.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 13 @ 11:34 PM ET
This is true, and I believe you've also said before how important the bottom 6(especially the 3rd scoring line) becomes during the post season, and how typically the team with the best 3rd and 4th lines wins the Cup.

Just taking a look at their line combos as of tonight, how about the Nashville Predators new "3rd" line: Johansen, Bonino, Arvidsson

Combine that with what will be probably the best Dcore in the league when Ellis returns.....A) I don't see how in the world the Hawks can possibly match that roster quality no matter how many trades/additions they make. And B) The Preds might just overtake the Lightning as my new favorite to win the Cup

- SimpleJack


Preds are in an interesting team, they can score and trap...and it seems like the add of Turris has made them better. As long as they get decent goal tending they can frustrate a team like the Bolts or anyone other high scoring team coming out of the East.

Yes-I have said for years the best bottom six wins the Cup-Now in recent years many have caught on after watching the 3rd and 4th liners in Pitt.

The Hawks need to play playoff hockey to allow some of the young guys to gain experience....Otherwise by the time they do gain some know how the big names will have more miles on them.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Dec 13 @ 11:38 PM ET
Ottawa wins a game! All trades off, ha.

Watch the entire game. A lot of trade and Karlsson talk.

According to Dorion, 27-28 GM/Teams have contacted him.

Heard from a source, that said they are not trading Karlsson in season unless a trade "blows them away".

He will be dealt in the off-season though.

They'd love to move Ryan (they know that will be real tough).

Brassard, Pageau and Smith are guys they feel have a lot value and will be easier to flip.

Dorion is under a lot of pressure to make a move this month.

Could get interesting real soon.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Dec 13 @ 11:46 PM ET
Preds are in an interesting team, they can score and trap...and it seems like the add of Turris has made them better. As long as they get decent goal tending they can frustrate a team like the Bolts or anyone other high scoring team coming out of the East.

Yes-I have said for years the best bottom six wins the Cup-Now in recent years many have caught on after watching the 3rd and 4th liners in Pitt.

The Hawks need to play playoff hockey to allow some of the young guys to gain experience....Otherwise by the time they do gain some know how the big names will have more miles on them.

- Al



You've said that forever and I agree
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Dec 13 @ 11:52 PM ET
Ottawa wins a game! All trades off, ha.

Watch the entire game. A lot of trade and Karlsson talk.

According to Dorion, 27-28 GM/Teams have contacted him.

Heard from a source, that said they are not trading Karlsson in season unless a trade "blows them away".

He will be dealt in the off-season though.

They'd love to move Ryan (they know that will be real tough).

Brassard, Pageau and Smith are guys they feel have a lot value and will be easier to flip.

Dorion is under a lot of pressure to make a move this month.

Could get interesting real soon.

- Justin Lowe


Rick could speak to the economy in Ottawa but it would be more similar to Springfield or Rockford rather than Chicago. They don't throw money around and they could trade Karlsson but it will be for the mother load and won't put them in an uncomfortable financial condition.

Everything fell into place last season for them, which makes this year feel worse.
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