Every player is an individual and treated accordingly. Clayton Keller is 19 years old and is playing 18+ minutes a game under Tocchett. Domi is 22 and playing 18+ minutes a game. Dvorak is 21 and playing 17+ minutes a game. All under Tocchett.
- MJL

Except that Domi is playing like garbage and hasn't had his ice time reduced, thus rendering everything you just agreed with as ridiculous as I said it was.

This post is so ignorant it's difficult to respond to. It's like you think players are magical unicorns that science doesn't apply to. Spoiler alert: they aren't. They are normal people extraordinary skill sets. Just like the rest of the population, some are extremely hard workers all the time. Many work hard only if it is something that matters to them. And a few try to skate by on natural aptitude alone. I mean... do you really think every player is giving 100% every second of every game?
- Antilles

One of my favorite things about this place is that someone will post total nonsense and then call you ignorant.

Two of those players have seen the 4th line when Babschlong didn't feel the effort was there. Nylander a couple times. What's your argument here, Tanner?
- leafsfann

My argument was in reference to their rookie seasons.

This might be the dumbest thing I have ever seen. I know you are a Coyotes blogger but you are a self proclaimed Leaf fan, are you not? Of those four players you listed, 2 of them have been demoted to the fourth line, getting limited minutes as a teaching moment. Mike Babcock wants his players to be professionals, to compete in all situations. If he doesn't think you are, he will replace you with someone who does. Do you really think that his ideal situation is to have Matthews playing with Brown and Hyman (Both of which I am fans of)? Definitely not. But that line, Matthews included, never takes a shift off. Nylander, Marner.... they take shifts off. At times they will float and they will cheat, and they have been getting caught on the wrong end of the play. I appreciate that Mike Babcock is trying to get these guys to learn that you can still be an offensive threat and play in both ends. That is what Rick Tocchet is doing. Years from now maybe you'll appreciate that, but right now, you are completely missing the point.
- BruHAWK

My post was in reference to their rookie season when the Leafs dressed nine rookies most in prominent roles. At no time did I say coaches shouldn't adjust ice time based on merit. What I was arguing is that calling up a potential #1 centre and then playing him with duds for 10 minute a night is counter productive.

That fake psych major suggested they had to earn it, and my point was that they did earn it - for their entire lives. Its almost impossible to have a nuanced conversation on here because people take something completely out of context and go off to crazy town.

Except that Domi is playing like garbage and hasn't had his ice time reduced, thus rendering everything you just agreed with as ridiculous as I said it was.
- James_Tanner

I'm not surprised that I have to explain this to you but the numbers I gave you are an average over a 33 game span. With your premise, why would Domi playing poorly matter? Your opinion on how any player is playing is not even remotely credible.

I agree that OHL scoring does not always translate to the NHL, but usually AHL scoring does. Im a big Strome doubter, but I was pleasantly surprised when he lit up the AHL. That is not an easy league. Im surprised his AHL scoring hasnt translated to the NHL yet, not sure what the deal is.
- Holy_Makinaw99

Perhaps it's - as I was saying - that the coach is treating him like a fourth liner?

My argument was in reference to their rookie seasons.
- James_Tanner

So ignore what is happening this season because it refutes your own narrative?

My post was in reference to their rookie season when the Leafs dressed nine rookies most in prominent roles. At no time did I say coaches shouldn't adjust ice time based on merit. What I was arguing is that calling up a potential #1 centre and then playing him with duds for 10 minute a night is counter productive.

That fake psych major suggested they had to earn it, and my point was that they did earn it - for their entire lives. Its almost impossible to have a nuanced conversation on here because people take something completely out of context and go off to crazy town.
- James_Tanner

Is it possible that Strome's ice time is being adjusted on merit?

I'm not surprised that I have to explain this to you but the numbers I gave you are an average over a 33 game span. With your premise, why would Domi playing poorly matter? Your opinion on how any player is playing is not even remotely credible.
- MJL

Honestly man, I don't care anymore. Say what you want. No matter what anyone says, between you and I , we both know that whenever you post anything, it automatically strengthens the opposite point. At first I thought you were just a troll, but I've come to believe you don't even know what irony is. Good times.

I think I'm going to quit the comments section, you being the primary reason why.

Peace.

Honestly man, I don't care anymore. Say what you want. No matter what anyone says, between you and I , we both know that whenever you post anything, it automatically strengthens the opposite point. At first I thought you were just a troll, but I've come to believe you don't even know what irony is. Good times.

I think I'm going to quit the comments section, you being the primary reason why.

Peace.
- James_Tanner

i get it. you're tired of constantly being owned by mjl.

i'm actually surprised you stuck it out for this long.

i will miss the gems of beagle's shot is as good as ovechkin's, domi will lead the league in scoring, strome is the next tavares etc. etc. Good times.

Honestly man, I don't care anymore. Say what you want. No matter what anyone says, between you and I , we both know that whenever you post anything, it automatically strengthens the opposite point. At first I thought you were just a troll, but I've come to believe you don't even know what irony is. Good times.

I think I'm going to quit the comments section, you being the primary reason why.

Peace.
- James_Tanner

The numbers I gave you point out one simple point. Like pretty much every NHL coach they are willing to play young players high minutes if their play warrants it on merit. If it doesn't, their ice time will be reduced. That simple. You post a highlight of one play and use that as your evidence that Tocchett is not using Strome correctly. Now your telling me that my posting strengthens your point? You move away from the point to the above because you realize you've again been proven wrong.

The numbers I gave you point out one simple point. Like pretty much every NHL coach they are willing to play young players high minutes if their play warrants it on merit. If it doesn't, their ice time will be reduced. That simple. You post a highlight of one play and use that as your evidence that Tocchett is not using Strome correctly. Now your telling me that my posting strengthens your point? You move away from the point to the above because you realize you've again been proven wrong.
- MJL

he can't handle being wrong.

i suspect he would do better in an echo chamber where people just kiss his ass and always agree with him.

The numbers I gave you point out one simple point. Like pretty much every NHL coach they are willing to play young players high minutes if their play warrants it on merit. If it doesn't, their ice time will be reduced. That simple. You post a highlight of one play and use that as your evidence that Tocchett is not using Strome correctly. Now your telling me that my posting strengthens your point? You move away from the point to the above because you realize you've again been proven wrong.
- MJL

What I find so wonderful about Mr. Tanner is that he's exactly what he professes to despise: he's the climate change denier of Hockeybuzz. He's the Jennie McCarthy anti-vaxxer of Hockeybuzz.

He's never played hockey. He can barely skate. He's never attended an NHL game live.

But by studying a few websites, he's made himself into a hockey expert. He knows more than guys who have played the game and study the game 60 hours a week. Tocchet is stupid - James Tanner could do a better job than him.

Peter Chiarelli was the captain of Harvard - and graduated with a degree in economics. He also has a degree in law. But Chiarelli is stupid and a terrible GM - despite building a team that won a Stanley Cup. Tanner would do a better job.

I have no problem with questioning the moves of coaches and GMs. But fans (and Tanner, obviously) need to drop the air of superiority - obviously not every decision can turn out perfectly. Guys are going to make mistakes.

One out of 31 teams will win the Stanley Cup this year - it doesn't make the GMs and coaches of the other 30 teams idiots. They know more about hockey than we could ever hope to know.

Signing off, to quote the great James Tanner:

"In real life, you probably wouldn't be able to speak with me, unless I was your teacher or your boss."

One of my favorite things about this place is that someone will post total nonsense and then call you ignorant.
- James_Tanner

I mean WOW! You really don't have any clue whatsoever do you JT???

Honestly, I'd have Strome in the 1C or 2C spot for the rest of the season. If you're not going to give him top 6 minutes you need to send him down - a place where he was only on a ridiculously torrid scoring pace.

might be counter productive to his development getting destroyed every game...being sheltered a bit could be a good thing in the long run. Hopefully won't be too beat up when this team finally gets its act together.

I agree that OHL scoring does not always translate to the NHL, but usually AHL scoring does. Im a big Strome doubter, but I was pleasantly surprised when he lit up the AHL. That is not an easy league. Im surprised his AHL scoring hasnt translated to the NHL yet, not sure what the deal is.
- Holy_Makinaw99

peter white, jaosn ackeson, jock collender (sp) and countless others disagree

peter white, jaosn ackeson, jock collender (sp) and countless others disagree
- rinaldo

I think you mean Jason "Art Ross" Akeson. Kid played at a point per game pace in the NHL for 2 straight years, then fell off for some reason.

I think you mean Jason "Art Ross" Akeson. Kid played at a point per game pace in the NHL for 2 straight years, then fell off for some reason.
- Girouxsalem90

You made me look.

Bravo.

Very well done.

Honestly man, I don't care anymore. Say what you want. No matter what anyone says, between you and I , we both know that whenever you post anything, it automatically strengthens the opposite point. At first I thought you were just a troll, but I've come to believe you don't even know what irony is. Good times.

I think I'm going to quit the comments section, you being the primary reason why.

Peace.
- James_Tanner

Wise decision, Tanner.

You made me look.

Bravo.

Very well done.
- Atomic Wedgie

He's a philly sports hero for sure.

I think you mean Jason "Art Ross" Akeson. Kid played at a point per game pace in the NHL for 2 straight years, then fell off for some reason.
- Girouxsalem90