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A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 11 @ 11:57 PM ET
They get temporary relief during their recovery, but I believe they have been recalling/maximizing the usage in order to utilize it for Boeser's eventual performance bonuses.

If I recall correctly, the performance bonuses are calculated at the end of the season and if you have space from LTIR you can apply it to that season, otherwise it carries over and the following season opens with less space

- WhiteLie

That`s good news. We`ll need $850K.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 11 @ 11:58 PM ET
Reality always hits once you realize what else is going on around the league.

Ducks have been destroyed by injuries this year.

LA without Jeff Carter

STL started the season without Steen/JBo

Vegas has started like 10 different goalies

- Nucker101


Canucks would take that reality of other teams over what they are going through... but Vegas and their goalies ... that's just a cirque de sole feat there .... magic show beyond comprehension.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:00 AM ET
Reality always hits once you realize what else is going on around the league.

Ducks have been destroyed by injuries this year.

LA without Jeff Carter

STL started the season without Steen/JBo

Vegas has started like 10 different goalies

- Nucker101


Canucks will begin to look worse with a few more top performers out since its last update, but ANA was hit very hard and they are still in the hunt. Others ahead of VAN will only get better when these guys return
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:01 AM ET
Canucks would take that reality of other teams over what they are going through... but Vegas and their goalies ... that's just a cirque de sole feat there .... magic show beyond comprehension.
- Nuck4U


I'm just saying, other teams have injuries too. Canucks have only had Horvat out for a couple of games if we're comparing teams right now so if you look at it like that, it hasn't been that bad compared to teams like Vegas and the Ducks.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:02 AM ET
Canucks will begin to look worse with a few more top performers out since its last update, but ANA was hit very hard and they are still in the hunt. Others ahead of VAN will only get better when these guys return
- WhiteLie


Yeah, Canucks will definitely climb that list with Horvat/Sutter/Gud still out and Dorsett done.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
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Dec 12 @ 12:02 AM ET
That`s good news. We`ll need $850K.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Boeser, Goldobin, Virtanen and Stecher are all still on ELC's. Depending on what their bonuses are, it could all add up.

Last year's results, only Edmonton and Washington had available space to save cap space. Toronto got hit the hardest to start this year:
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:03 AM ET
Must get the cynics goat that the Canucks don't fold after soft early goal and battle to take it to the Jets.
- Nuck4U

5-1 Jets.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:05 AM ET
Boeser, Goldobin, Virtanen and Stecher are all still on ELC's. Depending on what their bonuses are, it could all add up.

Last year's results, only Edmonton and Washington had available space to save cap space. Toronto got hit the hardest to start this year:

- WhiteLie


Must be nice to actually have a bunch of ELC guys light it up so much that the team gets wrecked by bonuses lol.
WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
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Dec 12 @ 12:06 AM ET
Yeah, Canucks will definitely climb that list with Horvat/Sutter/Gud still out and Dorsett done.
- Nucker101


I wonder how much those guys will affect the bubble size though. Dorsett, Sutter and Gudbranson are not really viewed well among the analytics community as having a great impact on the game results. Bo and Sven are much more important losses
WhiteLie
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Dec 12 @ 12:07 AM ET
Must be nice to actually have a bunch of ELC guys light it up so much that the team gets wrecked by bonuses lol.
- Nucker101


Maybe thats why Marner has been kept down on the 4th line: can't let him hit anymore bonuses, gotta save some cap space
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:08 AM ET
I wonder how much those guys will affect the bubble size though. Dorsett, Sutter and Gudbranson are not really viewed well among the analytics community as having a great impact on the game results. Bo and Sven are much more important losses
- WhiteLie


Oh it's based on actual effectiveness? Yeah, you're probably right then.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:11 AM ET


Pom poms float, right.

- A_SteamingLombardi


Your kind seem too ....as Codes pointed out the applicable quote.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:12 AM ET
5-1 Jets.
- Marwood

We`re onto injuries now, pay attention pothead. I`ll be right back.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:13 AM ET
5-1 Jets.
- Marwood


Did your pom poms float by with BFF ASL?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:16 AM ET
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:17 AM ET
They get temporary relief during their recovery, but I believe they have been recalling/maximizing the usage in order to utilize it for Boeser's eventual performance bonuses.

If I recall correctly, the performance bonuses are calculated at the end of the season and if you have space from LTIR you can apply it to that season, otherwise it carries over and the following season opens with less space

- WhiteLie


Thanks for that. Thought they needed to be placed on LTIR in order to reap some type of cap saving though.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:17 AM ET
Did your pom poms float by with BFF ASL?
- Nuck4U

You need better material.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:18 AM ET
Oh it's based on actual effectiveness? Yeah, you're probably right then.
- Nucker101


I didn't quite dig into how it was calculated but up/down is wins; left/right is man games lost; and the bubble size "represents lost-point shares metric (points lost in standings due to injured players)".

Apparently it comes from hockey-reference who break down the points earned by the Canucks (32) and divide it to the contributions of the players based on offensive and defensive performance.

Of the 32 points Sutter is worth 0.2 points, Gudbranson 0.6, Dorsett 1.2, Horvat 2.5 and Boeser/Markstrom lead the team with 3.7
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:19 AM ET
We`re onto injuries now, pay attention pothead. I`ll be right back.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Ya, smarten up Marwood.😁
WhiteLie
Referee
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Dec 12 @ 12:20 AM ET
Thanks for that. Thought they needed to be placed on LTIR in order to reap some type of cap saving though.
- Reubenkincade


yeah I am not too sure. I think they have been waiting for players to be out long enough to retroactively do it but I am not a capologist and won't pretend I know what I am talking about
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Dec 12 @ 12:22 AM ET
I'm just saying, other teams have injuries too. Canucks have only had Horvat out for a couple of games if we're comparing teams right now so if you look at it like that, it hasn't been that bad compared to teams like Vegas and the Ducks.
- Nucker101

We are a borderline playoff team when healthy....sadly no team is ever healthy so we never had a chance. We need a few more solid drafts before we have the depth to withstand top 6 injuries
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:23 AM ET
yeah I am not too sure. I think they have been waiting for players to be out long enough to retroactively do it but I am not a capologist and won't pretend I know what I am talking about
- WhiteLie


You sound like you can at least fake it better than most of us dummies on here though.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:24 AM ET
yeah I am not too sure. I think they have been waiting for players to be out long enough to retroactively do it but I am not a capologist and won't pretend I know what I am talking about
- WhiteLie

Sounds like you should work for the Canucks.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:24 AM ET
I'm just saying, other teams have injuries too. Canucks have only had Horvat out for a couple of games if we're comparing teams right now so if you look at it like that, it hasn't been that bad compared to teams like Vegas and the Ducks.
- Nucker101


Ducks are supposed to be a deeper team that would win the division again. So look where they are with injuries. Canucks a bottom feeder and have had consistent injuries to key players all season managed to stay in contention. Now the last straws of injury have them tumble down the bubble. Just reality so don't know what the point is? ... Canucks should be better?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:26 AM ET
We are a borderline playoff team when healthy....sadly no team is ever healthy so we never had a chance. We need a few more solid drafts before we have the depth to withstand top 6 injuries
- CanuckDon

But, but........October and November, we were going to win the cup.
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