Who I would keep past season for sure

Stone
Chabot
Hoffman

Who I would try hard to move out

Ryan
Ceci
Burrows (not worst if they keep him)
Oduya

Big Question marks

Karlsson
Brassard (because Brown is coming and he's 30)

Who I would keep past season for sure

Stone
Chabot
Hoffman

Who I would try hard to move out

Ryan
Ceci
Burrows (not worst if they keep him)
Oduya

Big Question marks

Karlsson
Brassard (because Brown is coming and he's 30)
- AlfieisKing

Stone is a piece to build around. Top winger in the NHL.

Those players you listed aren't worth too much. Nobody is taking Ryan and that brutal contract.

As a leaf fan I'd be interested in Pageau

plan the parade
- Tumbleweed

They been planning one in toronto every time they win 4 in a row
without winning a playoff round since before crosby OR OV were even in the NHL

Stone is a piece to build around. Top winger in the NHL.

Those players you listed aren't worth too much. Nobody is taking Ryan and that brutal contract.

As a leaf fan I'd be interested in Pageau
- Santo_44

Ryan could be moved in a deal with assets and to a team like Vegas (who has the cap room and could use a top 6 forward) Ryan is still a 2nd line player with offensive upside - it's the contract that makes him look much worse

Who I would keep past season for sure

Stone
Chabot
Hoffman

Who I would try hard to move out

Ryan
Ceci
Burrows (not worst if they keep him)
Oduya

Big Question marks

Karlsson
Brassard (because Brown is coming and he's 30)
- AlfieisKing

ryan is hopeless to move. he has bar none the worst contract in the nhl.

burrows - would clear waivers. package him with a 2nd and maybe you find a taker.

oduya - would clear waivers. find a another 3rd to move and maybe you can move him

ceci - is interesting. some dumbass gm like chiarelli might overpay for him. i just can't see dorion making a trade he wins.

They been planning one in toronto every time they win 4 in a row
without winning a playoff round since before crosby OR OV were even in the NHL
- AlfieisKing

you're 2nd last and you think by trading your best player you can compete for a cup in 2019

Ryan could be moved in a deal with assets and to a team like Vegas (who has the cap room and could use a top 6 forward) Ryan is still a 2nd line player with offensive upside - it's the contract that makes him look much worse
- AlfieisKing

If it was 1-2 years maybe

However, no team in the NHL wants a guy making 7.5 million for 5 years. He has declined huge over the years and hasn't scored more than 23 goals since 2010-2011. And has only reached over 20 goals twice.

Why the (frank) would you trade for that when you can pay someone 6x6 in free agency and get a player who can actually score 30 goals

It's a crippling contact. No team wants to be put behind the 8 ball for the next 5 years

If it was 1-2 years maybe

However, no team in the NHL wants a guy making 7.5 million for 5 years. He has declined huge over the years and hasn't scored more than 23 goals since 2010-2011. And has only reached over 20 goals twice.

Why the (frank) would you trade for that when you can pay someone 6x6 in free agency and get a player who can actually score 30 goals

It's a crippling contact. No team wants to be put behind the 8 ball for the next 5 years
- Santo_44

Ridiculously frustrating player. Even more so because he was so good for them in the playoffs last year.

Ryan could be moved in a deal with assets and to a team like Vegas (who has the cap room and could use a top 6 forward) Ryan is still a 2nd line player with offensive upside - it's the contract that makes him look much worse
- AlfieisKing

he has 1 goal. 1 (frank)ing goal. after 13 last year.

for the scratch he's making, he should be a 35-40 goal scorer.

you don't have enough draft picks for someone to take him. there isn't even a single bad contract someone could send back. it would take 2-3 bad contracts to move him.

he has 1 goal. 1 (frank)ing goal. after 13 last year.

for the scratch he's making, he should be a 35-40 goal scorer.

you don't have enough draft picks for someone to take him. there isn't even a single bad contract someone could send back. it would take 2-3 bad contracts to move him.
- Tumbleweed

Ya, I disagree. He has a broken hand. He's a guy that showed up huge in the playoffs. If a team like LA was to offer Brown and Gaborik (before this season started) I could see it really easy

Bobby Ryan can score 20-24g and 50+p in a healthy season; no question

Ya, I disagree. He has a broken hand. He's a guy that showed up huge in the playoffs. If a team like LA was to offer Brown and Gaborik (before this season started) I could see it really easy

Bobby Ryan can score 20-24g and 50+p in a healthy season; no question
- AlfieisKing

Sure.

You probably also thought the sens run from last year wasn't a complete fluke

Here are the problems.

#1. He is an amazing player who isn't playing amazing right now and how knows how is ankle is going to be moving forward. Plus his best years are likely behind him, especially as he gets long term.

#2. He wants to win a cup and any team that can afford him isn't in a position to contend for a cup.

#3. If he wants max pay then the Sens wont be able to afford their top end talent even if they spend to the cap they will need to lose some players.

#4. He seems to have the Alfie bad attitude lately.

#5. If he goes to another team they are going to want a year or two to make sure he can prove himself in their line up.

All of which are not good for any team or Karlsson. As much as it kills me to say, Karlsson should learn a lesson from the Pens. They have Crosby and Malkin at a discount and are able to afford to build a cup contender every year.
- Maverick1818

good post

They been planning one in toronto every time they win 4 in a row
without winning a playoff round since before crosby OR OV were even in the NHL
- AlfieisKing

Come try your luck on the Sens vs. Leafs thread.

Leave the decent Sens fans alone and derp and chirp over there instead

Ryan could be moved in a deal with assets and to a team like Vegas (who has the cap room and could use a top 6 forward) Ryan is still a 2nd line player with offensive upside - it's the contract that makes him look much worse
- AlfieisKing

320th in league scoring.

The contract is just the final nail in a pretty tightly sealed coffin.

Come try your luck on the Sens vs. Leafs thread.

Leave the decent Sens fans alone and derp and chirp over there instead
- Aetherial

Lol wtf does post even mean?

Sure.

You probably also thought the sens run from last year wasn't a complete fluke
- Tumbleweed

I know it's a homer opinion, but I don't think it was a fluke. Sure, luck always plays a part, but we were IN almost every game. And for whatever reason, Boucher's system was working. This season, it definitely isn't.

If it makes you feel better, we probably won't reach the 3rd round for another long time.

320th in league scoring.

The contract is just the final nail in a pretty tightly sealed coffin.
- Aetherial

Don't disagree. Still, it's difficult to tell just how bad he is, given that everyone is currently struggling under Boucher this season. Not saying he'd improve much mind you, he's still in full regress.

Bobby Ryan can score 20-24g and 50+p in a healthy season; no question
- AlfieisKing

Maybe. But his hand is always broken. 13 goals last year. 1 so far this year. Is that Dorion's pitch? "if he's healthy maybe he can get you 20 goals"? Good luck with that. You're giving up assets to unload him. And why does everyone always say Vegas makes sense? His contract + his production last 2.5 years = nothing good. No value to anyone - Ottawa, Vegas or anyone else.

Bad situation here. Combination of bad deals, pedestrian GM, infuriating coach, expiring EK, wont trade or play young players, and an cheap owner. Yikes. Really should burn it down, but can't even do that until there is ink on Lebreton Flats or the Sens will end up in Quebec, Seattle or Houston.

Over-achieve, raise expectations, make bad deals, fail to live up to expectations, fire coach, over-achieve under new coach, raise expectations, make bad deals, fail to live up to expectations, fire coach... wash, rinse, repeat for a decade.

But it makes for lively radio... until October it's cup contender, top goaltending tandem in the league, best player in the world, 9 NHL ready d-men, a plethora of A-level prospects, coach of the year, GM of the year finalist, oh, and 1 goal away from the cup final... flash forward 2 months and only Buffalo is worse in the East.

Maybe. But his hand is always broken. 13 goals last year. 1 so far this year. Is that Dorion's pitch? "if he's healthy maybe he can get you 20 goals"? Good luck with that. You're giving up assets to unload him. And why does everyone always say Vegas makes sense? His contract + his production last 2.5 years = nothing good. No value to anyone - Ottawa, Vegas or anyone else.

Bad situation here. Combination of bad deals, pedestrian GM, infuriating coach, expiring EK, wont trade or play young players, and an cheap owner. Yikes. Really should burn it down, but can't even do that until there is ink on Lebreton Flats or the Sens will end up in Quebec, Seattle or Houston.

Over-achieve, raise expectations, make bad deals, fail to live up to expectations, fire coach, over-achieve under new coach, raise expectations, make bad deals, fail to live up to expectations, fire coach... wash, rinse, repeat for a decade.

But it makes for lively radio... until October it's cup contender, top goaltending tandem in the league, best player in the world, 9 NHL ready d-men, a plethora of A-level prospects, coach of the year, GM of the year finalist, oh, and 1 goal away from the cup final... flash forward 2 months and only Buffalo is worse in the East.
- grim

Look, I agree with you regarding Ryan - but if he's making 5.5m he's a very movable asset. Any more than that, yes, majority of teams can't fit him in or why would they. They need a guy like that to sell tickets - which he can do if his hands are working but he has better dekes than feet.

Regarding the sky falling - no. The team is playing garbage but the TEAM isn't garbage. Karlsson, Stone, Hoffman, Duchene, and to lesser extent Phanuef, Brassard and Anderson.... there's some good players on this team. They lack star power and many are playing under expectations. Loosing MacArthur, Turris, and Methot was too disruptive to team chemistry and leadership - that is evident now.

That said, Chabot, Brown, White, Fermonton, Batherson, Jaros, Chaplik... this team isn't void of prospects and young players. They don't need to have a firesale but they do need to decide what their doing. Ryan contract is definitely bad right now if he can produce - same with Duchene and Bassard (not contract wise but Duchene will get overpaid if he doesn't score 26-30g again

This comment thread is absolutely bananas.

Guy Boucher is not a good coach.
Same thing happened in tampa. 1st yr 103 pts lost ecf, his system caught league by surprise. 2nd yr 80 pts missed playoffs. 3rd yr fired after 32 games (lock out season).
1st yr 98 pts lost ecf. 2nd yr (projected 74 pts). See a trend here?

feel free to tear this apart bud id like to see a trade like this

To Edmonton: Karlsson,Ceci,Ryan,Macarther 2mill salary retention for the last 2 years of contract.

To Ottawa :Drasital,Klefbom,Lucic and 1st round pick this year top 10 protected will be switched to next year if its a top 10 .

Ideally the lines would be
Hoffman Dutchy Stone
Lucic Drasital Brassard
Smith Pageau Dzingel
Burrows Pyatt White(Brown or what ever young talent thats deserving of some ice time)

Defence
Phaneuf Klefbom
Oduya Chabot
Borocop Wideman -(5th and 6th D can be altered with Claesson and Harpur)

This comment thread is absolutely bananas.
- PavohnDatsvares

Gwen stafani?

feel free to tear this apart bud id like to see a trade like this

To Edmonton: Karlsson,Ceci,Ryan,Macarther 2mill salary retention for the last 2 years of contract.

To Ottawa :Drasital,Klefbom,Lucic and 1st round pick this year top 10 protected will be switched to next year if its a top 10 .
- roadzy

That's actually not a bad deal except they don't have the cap space... they'd have to trade out RNH and Ryan is dead weight but COULD be a useful 2nd line winger