was it from gaines?
- Upstate_isles

Yes

Meh -- that's a massive price no matter what. No single player has been traded for a haul like that in recent memory, especially not in the standard two-team trade. If you (not you) want to swap Soderstrom for Halak or Greiss and remove one of Pulock or Toews then it starts becoming a little more reasonable. Otherwise...pass.

OEL is a fantastic hockey player, but he's not some sort of untouchable superstar.
- eichiefs9

I have to agree. We need hockeyman to give us a full scouting report on this OEL guy. Is he really this good?

Yes
- eichiefs9

posted his rankings last page that graph shows how good he really is

I have to agree. We need hockeyman to give us a full scouting report on this OEL guy. Is he really this good?
- ses111

Let's put it this way. Yes he is THAT good.

The problem with Gaines' offer is that NO D-MAN currently in this league is worth the trade he offered.

I have to agree. We need hockeyman to give us a full scouting report on this OEL guy. Is he really this good?
- ses111

this is a repost cause it was a page back
2. Oliver Ekman-Larsson


OEL is my poop. He's one of 2 defensemen in this tier that I'd label "perfect" in the same way I'd label Bergeron. He has no faults. You just keep looking for things he isn't elite at and you can't find anything.

Shot quality for? Against? Rates for and against? Possession? The PK? The PP? How about his qndCorsi, anything sketchy there? Point production? Penalty kill, powerplay?! ANYTHING?!!?!

Nothing. Nada. Zilch. He's one of only 2 true do-it-all defensemen.



But, we get the same small, western market problem that happens with Gio, Klefbom, and Tanev. He's great, but in a subtle way, and no one watches so he's overlooked. This, despite him scoring over 20 goals in each of the past two seasons. This kid is good, this kid can play, and if he's not in your top 10 D in the league, then you've probably (frank)ed something up.

he is a top 10 or 15 d man in the league
- Upstate_isles

He's up there for sure. Still not worth all the assets that Seńor Gaines proposed. Gutting an organization for one player = you're gonna have a bad time

How does trading Hamonic for a 1st rounder and 2 2nds equate to 4 1st rounders, a 3rd, and two top prospects? Hamonic also had 3 years left on his deal that was INSANELY cap friendly.
- Dedshark

Cap friendly, yet again he's the worst player on the Flames too despite only playing 2nd pair minutes with TJ Brodie. What's your point?

Let's put it this way. Yes he is THAT good.

The problem with Gaines' offer is that NO D-MAN currently in this league is worth the trade he offered.
- Dedshark

Actually, I didn't offer it. I said that's what Arizona would want. I'd personally stay away from him.

posted his rankings last page that graph shows how good he really is
- Upstate_isles

You don't have to sell me on how good he is, I am wholly in agreement with you. My point was just that trading an insane package of players/picks/prospects for any single player in the league is putrid asset management.

He's up there for sure. Still not worth all the assets that Seńor Gaines proposed. Gutting an organization for one player = you're gonna have a bad time
- eichiefs9

yea that proposal is insane I think its something like nelson pulock or toews a 1st and second and they can afford that but if he walks after next year woof and they cant say we will trade that for him if he resigns now cause of jt. he is awesome and could really hep this team, what would also help is jaro playing like last game the rest of the year

Actually, I didn't offer it. I said that's what Arizona would want. I'd personally stay away from him.
- bgainesDM

You would know

What? You are ruining me dream of a D built around Leddy, Trouba, Toews, and Aho.
- ses111

Need a partner for McDonagh.

Can't break up Shatty and Skjei

You don't have to sell me on how good he is, I am wholly in agreement with you. My point was just that trading an insane package of players/picks/prospects for any single player in the league is putrid asset management.
- eichiefs9

yea I think I put in there I know youre aware of it but ses wanted a report and that graph shows how good he is and that guy did it for the top 20 players so its based on numbers not opinions. it is from last year however

yea that proposal is insane I think its something like nelson pulock or toews a 1st and second and they can afford that but if he walks after next year woof and they cant say we will trade that for him if he resigns now cause of jt. he is awesome and could really hep this team, what would also help id jaro playing like last game the rest of the year
- Upstate_isles

Part of that trade would have to be conditional picks if it were made between now and June 30th.

Despite the fact that I would love to see him in an Isles jersey now, waiting until after July 1st (when we can talk extension prior to a trade) would be the logical move. I imagine that, if this happens, that it happens over the summer.

yea that proposal is insane I think its something like nelson pulock or toews a 1st and second and they can afford that but if he walks after next year woof and they cant say we will trade that for him if he resigns now cause of jt. he is awesome and could really hep this team, what would also help is jaro playing like last game the rest of the year
- Upstate_isles

Not my proposal. Simply saying that's what Arizona would want.

Not my proposal. Simply saying that's what Arizona would want.
- bgainesDM

So you're relaying a message from the Arizona front office? You didn't come up with this on your own AT ALL? John Chayka called you and said "I would want this from the Islanders. Post it on Hockeybuzz."

Need a partner for McDonagh.

Can't break up Shatty and Skjei
- mdw7413

McDonagh is a LH shot, right?

RHD who are set to become UFA's after this season:

- Green
- Gudbranson
- John Carlson (who, as much as I'm convinced will be locked up by the Caps, I would LOVE to see the Isles take a run at)
- That's about it

So you're relaying a message from the Arizona front office? You didn't come up with this on your own AT ALL? John Chayka called you and said "I would want this from the Islanders. Post it on Hockeybuzz."
- Dedshark

Not my proposal. Simply saying that's what Arizona would want.
- bgainesDM

Well then what Arizona wants is stupid and way too much

So you're relaying a message from the Arizona front office? You didn't come up with this on your own AT ALL? John Chayka called you and said "I would want this from the Islanders. Post it on Hockeybuzz."
- Dedshark

If you're a GM, you wouldn't ask for the biggest haul possible for a top pair D you currently own with 1 extra year on his contract? C'Mon man. Again, I get it was 1 3-team trade, but Zona is going to want the same haul Sakic got for Duchene.

McDonagh is a LH shot, right?

RHD who are set to become UFA's after this season:

- Green
- Gudbranson
- John Carlson (who, as much as I'm convinced will be locked up by the Caps, I would LOVE to see the Isles take a run at)
- That's about it
- eichiefs9

they are tight on cap space for what he will want, I heard someone say they will find a way to resign him but according to tanner they have 4 top d man so they can lose one

If you're a GM, you wouldn't ask for the biggest haul possible for a top pair D you currently own with 1 extra year on his contract? C'Mon man. Again, I get it was 1 3-team trade, but Zona is going to want the same haul Sakic got for Duchene.
- bgainesDM

he also becomes a f.a at the same time as karrelson and doughty and as good as he is these are two guys that are as good if not better although again are you looking at offense d special teams or all combined? in any event three top true #1 guys all at the same time. it waters it down a bit as ask for too much and a team can go somewhere else unlike if hes the only one available

they are tight on cap space for what he will want, I heard someone say they will find a way to resign him but according to tanner they have 4 top d man so they can lose one
- Upstate_isles

Without Carlson their defense is pretty "meh". Either bad players, like Orpik, or guys that are promising but very young. I think they'll do what they need to in order to bring Carlson back. He's easily getting $6M+ though.

he also becomes a f.a at the same time as karrelson and doughty and as good as he is these are two guys that are as good if not better although again are you looking at offense d special teams or all combined? in any event three top true #1 guys all at the same time. it waters it down a bit as ask for too much and a team can go somewhere else unlike if hes the only one available
- Upstate_isles

Again, I'd stay away from him. Let someone else overpayy for him if he leaves Arizona.

If you're a GM, you wouldn't ask for the biggest haul possible for a top pair D you currently own with 1 extra year on his contract? C'Mon man. Again, I get it was 1 3-team trade, but Zona is going to want the same haul Sakic got for Duchene.
- bgainesDM

No single team is giving up the amount of assets that NSH/OTT pooled together to send to COL. It's impossible for a franchise to part with that much talent.

I could go pointing out that NSH only had to trade Shea Weber and his putrid contract for PK Subban, or that NJD landed Hall for a middle-pairing defenseman. But those two scenarios and the three team trade are what they are....rare.