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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 11 @ 4:06 PM ET
I don’t really see why the Sedins would be interested in signing with us.
- arichardson22

to assemble all the gingers
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 11 @ 4:07 PM ET
Solves PP2 issue, left wing issue, and adds center depth.

G - Coots - Jake
Daniel - Henrik - Simmonds
Patrick centering third with TK and someone else.
Plug in your fourth liners

- ClaudeFather


I disagree with your whole idea but what I agree with is bringing in players that could buy Nolan Patrick time to develop, which is why I'm glad you brought up the Sedins. Ryan Kessler and Alex Borrows played behind Marcus Nasland, Todd Burtuzzi, Brenden Morrison and the Sedin twins for years until Kessler and Burrows grew into their own. Giroux didn't automatically take over as our best player, he climbed up the ladder.
SimmerDown17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: It aint my fault, SimmerDown aint my alt, CA
Joined: 06.26.2014

Dec 11 @ 4:09 PM ET
JvR? nope
Nash? NOPE!
Neal? Maybe but more likely Nope!
Kane? HELL TO THE F'N NOPE.

Those are all moved the old Flyers would have made.

- dragonoffrost


Can I ask why HELL TO THE F'N NOPE on Kane? We need some more strength on LW. This team could use a little more snarl and size. He's nearly a point per game right now.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 11 @ 4:09 PM ET
Okay, I'm gonna try to respond to all of you at once because the posts prior to this one were virtually the same response but I find this one to be the most interesting.

I don't think G is along term solution at LW. I don't. Is it a nice idea right now? Yes! After four seasons of being a No Show, Claude Giroux looks like he's back. The problem is, I wouldn't bring back Filppula. Some of you are talking about re-signing him. I don't think Filppula is better than JvR, Evander Kane or a streaky once upon a time Rick Nash. At least with Rick Nash, you get more size, he's a name and he fills a need regardless of whether or not he is what he was. I also don't think Rick Nash could possibly be offered what he's currently making.

As for our pipeline. Nobody should be OK with with waiting for Morgan Frost to develop or putting their hopes into Michael Raffl's current hot streak. Nobody should be okay with the Flyers being a one line team. I like the current changes/juggling made by Hakstol. The team looks refresh again. I still want more. I think this could be an even better team and I think this off-season has to be the one that improves us.

This post I'm replying to says he loves Simmonds. So do I but Simmonds is on RW. Let's get stronger on the other side.

- SuperSchennBros

I disagree with you re Giroux. The switch to LW has him playing his best hockey in 3 seasons. I also believe that Patrick will be able to slot in at 2C next year and with Vecchs, Vorobyev, Rubtsov and Frost in the pipeline, they have more than enough in the pipeline to fill the 3C role. If the Flyers brass wants to hedge their bets a bit, they can always sign a veteran FA center to be the 3C for a year or 2. I'd leave Giroux right where he is, they are thin enough at LW.
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Dec 11 @ 4:10 PM ET
Some of you are talking about re-signing him. I don't think Filppula is better than JvR, Evander Kane or a streaky once upon a time Rick Nash. At least with Rick Nash, you get more size, he's a name and he fills a need regardless of whether or not he is what he was. I also don't think Rick Nash could possibly be offered what he's currently making.
- SuperSchennBros


The guys you mention are absolutely better finishers than Filppula and they do need more goals, but don't replace the every situational play, the faceoff wins, the 2-way play and the fact he's your #2 center until Patrick proves otherwise and I don't see that happening until at least next year. I think you fill in on the wings last when building the team. If they don't bring Filppula back, they need to go out and do something about getting another center in here. They might still need another wing who can score but I'd rather have one hole to fill than two.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 11 @ 4:10 PM ET
the blog says the Flyers will have a lot of cap space NEXT year....it didn't say they would the year after that because it depends on several things (Simmonds, Provorov, RFAs)

Hextall isn't signing a big name FA

- YuenglingJagr


The blog explained why we would have a lot of cap space this summer with Read, Filppula, Manning and Umberger's cap hit coming off the books and this possibility of Lehtera being bought out. That's this summer.
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 11 @ 4:11 PM ET
Can I ask why HELL TO THE F'N NOPE on Kane? We need some more strength on LW. This team could use a little more snarl and size. He's nearly a point per game right now.
- SimmerDown17


He's going to want to back the armored car up for long term and he's an off ice issue.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Dec 11 @ 4:13 PM ET
The blog explained why we would have a lot of cap space this summer with Read, Filppula, Manning and Umberger's cap hit coming off the books and this possibility of Lehtera being bought out. That's this summer.
- SuperSchennBros


What evidence has suggested Hextall will go out and sign any big name free agent? Never has and likely never will. He truly has a draft first mentality and develop.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 11 @ 4:15 PM ET
The blog explained why we would have a lot of cap space this summer with Read, Filppula, Manning and Umberger's cap hit coming off the books and this possibility of Lehtera being bought out. That's this summer.
- SuperSchennBros

Correct. However a large portion of that space will go to re-signing Provorov to a big money extension which begins in 19-20 and over the next couple years, new and costlier deals will be needed for Hagg, Sanheim, Morin, Konecny and Patrick. And even more space will be tied up if they extend Simmonds.

If they can find a good veteran C or LW that they can overpay on a 1 year deal, then go for it. I'd much rather see that than tying up any FA like by term.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 11 @ 4:16 PM ET
The blog explained why we would have a lot of cap space this summer with Read, Filppula, Manning and Umberger's cap hit coming off the books and this possibility of Lehtera being bought out. That's this summer.
- SuperSchennBros

Okay sign Rick Nash to a 1 year 12 million dollar deal
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 11 @ 4:16 PM ET
The guys you mention are absolutely better finishers than Filppula and they do need more goals, but don't replace the every situational play, the faceoff wins, the 2-way play and the fact he's your #2 center until Patrick proves otherwise and I don't see that happening until at least next year. I think you fill in on the wings last when building the team. If they don't bring Filppula back, they need to go out and do something about getting another center in here. They might still need another wing who can score but I'd rather have one hole to fill than two.
- fls13

I think there is an argument for both sides but what I do know is, Giroux is just coming back into his own since the 2013-14 season. Voracek rarely finishes. Simmonds has had a slow start to his season. I'm not sure I trust Couturier to play this strong offensive for the next five plus seasons.

I think these guys need help.
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Dec 11 @ 4:17 PM ET
If they can find a good veteran C or LW that they can overpay on a 1 year deal, then go for it. I'd much rather see that than tying up any FA like by term.
- BiggE


Which is exactly why they should reup Filppula.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 11 @ 4:19 PM ET
Which is exactly why they should reup Filppula.
- fls13

he said good
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Dec 11 @ 4:21 PM ET
I think there is an argument for both sides but what I do know is, Giroux is just coming back into his own since the 2013-14 season. Voracek rarely finishes. Simmonds has had a slow start to his season. I'm not sure I trust Couturier to play this strong offensive for the next five plus seasons.

I think these guys need help.

- SuperSchennBros


I agree completely. They do need more up front. They just have to go about it carefully. They need to add talent and make moves that help the team today not hurt them the next three years until those draft picks develop . . . (SEE: Schenn trade).
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 11 @ 4:23 PM ET
the blog says the Flyers will have a lot of cap space NEXT year....it didn't say they would the year after that because it depends on several things (Simmonds, Provorov, RFAs)

Hextall isn't signing a big name FA

- YuenglingJagr


For all we know, Simmonds might get traded. So if Hextall refuses to upgrade the offense at any point, he's an idiot.

He's definitely hit homeruns with signings like Dale Weise so far.
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 11 @ 4:26 PM ET
For all we know, Simmonds might get traded. So if Hextall refuses to upgrade the offense at any point, he's an idiot.

He's definitely hit homeruns with signings like Dale Weise so far.

- SuperSchennBros


You are operating on the premise Simmonds is definitely being traded. Which is as false a premise as those operating on the one that he'll be resigned.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 11 @ 4:27 PM ET
13-14 Giroux:
2.72 shots on goal per game
12.6 individual shooting %
28 goals

17-18 Giroux:
1.86 shots on goal per game
22.2 individual shooting %
12 goals

this is actually his first season before his age 20 and 21 seasons where he is averaging less than 2 shots per game
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
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Dec 11 @ 4:27 PM ET
JvR? nope
Nash? NOPE!
Neal? Maybe but more likely Nope!
Kane? HELL TO THE F'N NOPE.

Those are all moved the old Flyers would have made.

- dragonoffrost


JvR and Kane are both having better seasons than James Neal. Rick Nash is doing the least best but still producing. I don't expect Nash to see another raise the rest of his career.

What do you guys have again James van Riemsdyk? He's a 60 plus player next to Tyler Bozak each season.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
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Dec 11 @ 4:30 PM ET
You are operating on the premise Simmonds is definitely being traded. Which is as false a premise as those operating on the one that he'll be resigned.
- dragonoffrost

I'm not opporating on anything. He could both stay and go and you could still bring in because guys like Raffl, Mac and Weise are gonna go in the coming seasons. You're assuming you know exactly what I'm thinking, which is false.
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Dec 11 @ 4:31 PM ET
IF Simmonds does get traded (which I hope isn't the case) I would like to target Will Nylander. Solid pick up IMO
SimmerDown17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: It aint my fault, SimmerDown aint my alt, CA
Joined: 06.26.2014

Dec 11 @ 4:32 PM ET
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VladDrag
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 01.13.2009

Dec 11 @ 4:40 PM ET
13-14 Giroux:
2.72 shots on goal per game
12.6 individual shooting %
28 goals

17-18 Giroux:
1.86 shots on goal per game
22.2 individual shooting %
12 goals

this is actually his first season before his age 20 and 21 seasons where he is averaging less than 2 shots per game

- YuenglingJagr

That has a lot to do with him not playing center.
Puck isn't on his stick quite as much. Maybe thats what yoy are saying...
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Dec 11 @ 4:41 PM ET
IF Simmonds does get traded (which I hope isn't the case) I would like to target Will Nylander. Solid pick up IMO
- SimmerDown


And how do you think we should go about acquiring him? And what makes you think Toronto would even want to trade him?

I think your a bit out to lunch on this. While you at it, why don't we go after Barzal or Boeser, or Mcdavid, they would all be solid pick ups IMO.
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Dec 11 @ 4:43 PM ET
JvR and Kane are both having better seasons than James Neal. Rick Nash is doing the least best bit still producing. I don't expect Nash to see another raise the rest of his career.

What do you guys have again James van Riemsdyk? He's a 60 plus player next to Tyler Bozak each season.

- SuperSchennBros


Yeah Nash is still on a contract he got when he was scoring 30-40 goals every year. He's also 33. How long a term would you offer him?

The other guys are younger and all of them would make the Flyers better today but they are going to get longer term offers than I think Hextall will go. I did see the overpay on a shorter term floated and i'd certainly be open to that.
SimmerDown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Cold North
Joined: 12.07.2017

Dec 11 @ 4:50 PM ET
And how do you think we should go about acquiring him? And what makes you think Toronto would even want to trade him?

I think your a bit out to lunch on this. While you at it, why don't we go after Barzal or Boeser, or Mcdavid, they would all be solid pick ups IMO.

- Buzzo


Easy beaver, did I say Hextall would click his magic slippers together and poof Nylander is wearing orange instead of blue? Simply said I would target.

Simmonds is a Ontario boy you can't tell me the fan base in Toronto wouldn't salivate at the thought of Simmonds joining the club. Also all the reports are that 29 GM's would be calling Hextall if Simmonds is indeed on the market what makes YOU think that Toronto wouldn't consider the trade if it brings heart and soul to the club?
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