I think we should go after a big fish like Giroux. I am unimpressed with Trouba and think he's more Bogosian v.2.0 and less elite. He would be an ideal piece to move in order to get Giroux.
- TheUltimateJet

You want to trade Trouba, an elite 23 year old dman, for Giroux? He’s literally the worst contract in the NHL. He’s actually one of the lowest per/60 point producers in the league. He’s also a terrible defensive player.

I'd love to get Trocheck but he is probably on their untouchable list. Barkov is too one dimensional and not a good fit here.
- jetsnation

This is a more accurate statement,
....Trocheck is probably 2nd on their untouchable list, while Barkov is at the top of that list.

You are right on about Trocheck. He plays with that intensity each and every game. He kills penalties and has the skill to make plays and score to go along with that speed of his. A team full of Trochecks would be very hard to beat, and probably still fun to watch when they didn't. Lol, Trocheck gets even better when he's pissed, like when he takes a stick or even a crosscheck upside the head, especially when it goes unseen and uncalled. He never quits.
I haven't seen much of Perrault, but have seen enough that when Ladd was up for rental/purchase I hoped Tallon's rumored contact with Jets were really inquiries about the maybe, possibly available Perreault.
The only complaint that can be made of Barkov is that he should shoot more. He'll sometimes try the pretty pass when he has a good shot for himself. When they click it's a thing of beauty, when they don't you wonder why he didn't just use that lethal shot he has. Even if Barkov isn't on the score sheet, he is never a no show. He's even better defensively than he is talented on offense. He doesn't hit like Vinnie, but he is even better than him at defending. I don't mind Barkov not blocking more shots than he does, as he often breaks things up before a shot is ever attempted. Anyway, Vinnie has missed enough time in his career with foot injuries from blocking shots. I'd rather he never miss a shift.
Barkov was probably one of the better defensive centers as an 18 yr old, and then the offensive skill level started to show more as he became more comfortable. & He's still getting better.
You should go watch Barkov when they come to town, your impression will likely change.....and you'll probably like Trocheck even more than you already do. Maybe it'll be just as entertaining of a game as last night was,...but with the road team coming out on top this time 😀.

This is a more accurate statement,
....Trocheck is probably 2nd on their untouchable list, while Barkov is at the top of that list.

You are right on about Trocheck. He plays with that intensity each and every game. He kills penalties and has the skill to make plays and score to go along with that speed of his. A team full of Trochecks would be very hard to beat, and probably still fun to watch when they didn't. Lol, Trocheck gets even better when he's pissed, like when he takes a stick or even a crosscheck upside the head, especially when it goes unseen and uncalled. He never quits.
I haven't seen much of Perrault, but have seen enough that when Ladd was up for rental/purchase I hoped Tallon's rumored contact with Jets were really inquiries about the maybe, possibly available Perreault.
The only complaint that can be made of Barkov is that he should shoot more. He'll sometimes try the pretty pass when he has a good shot for himself. When they click it's a thing of beauty, when they don't you wonder why he didn't just use that lethal shot he has. Even if Barkov isn't on the score sheet, he is never a no show. He's even better defensively than he is talented on offense. He doesn't hit like Vinnie, but he is even better than him at defending. I don't mind Barkov not blocking more shots than he does, as he often breaks things up before a shot is ever attempted. Anyway, Vinnie has missed enough time in his career with foot injuries from blocking shots. I'd rather he never miss a shift.
Barkov was probably one of the better defensive centers as an 18 yr old, and then the offensive skill level started to show more as he became more comfortable. & He's still getting better.
You should go watch Barkov when they come to town, your impression will likely change.....and you'll probably like Trocheck even more than you already do. Maybe it'll be just as entertaining of a game as last night was,...but with the road team coming out on top this time 😀.
- Ratsreign

Thanks for the long reply. Fair enough. I'd still rather have Trocheck personally on the Jets and feel he is still the better fit for a third line than Barkov. Jets need extra depth come playoff time. I was only comparing the two of them anyways and should have said "Barkov is MORE one dimensional" rather than " TOO one dimensional" . No biggie. Both are signed to long term contracts so the whole point of a trade for them is moot anyways.

Next year:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Roslovic-Laine
Perreault-Little-Petan
Tanev-Copp-Armia
(Anyone)

Sleeper: Appleton and Lemieux

Hendricks retires
Dano gets traded to a smart team
Matthias KHLs
Lowry gets moved because slow and size=inflated trade value

Morrissey-Trouba
Theodore/Skjei/equivalent-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Poolman
Chiarot

Sleeper: Niku

Myers is moved for a lefty also because size=inflated value, and also he’s bad at most things
Kulikov gets moved to free cap space for Wheeler

Next year:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Ehlers-Roslovic-Laine
Perreault-Little-Petan
Tanev-Copp-Armia
(Anyone)

Sleeper: Appleton and Lemieux

Hendricks retires
Dano gets traded to a smart team
Matthias KHLs
Lowry gets moved because slow and size=inflated trade value

Morrissey-Trouba
Theodore/Skjei/equivalent-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Poolman
Chiarot

Sleeper: Niku

Myers is moved for a lefty also because size=inflated value, and also he’s bad at most things
Kulikov gets moved to free cap space for Wheeler
- Rexypoo

So you want to resign Enstom? Kulikov and Myers keep getting better as the year goes on. Myers is a strong Jets guy! Solid character.

Wow Rexypoo, just wow!

And Amia on the 4th line? The guy is proving that when paired with offensive players he can deliver. Reminds me of Wheeler when he first came here, he was a great playmaker just had no one to finish his passes.

So you want to resign Enstom? Kulikov and Myers keep getting better as the year goes on. Myers is a strong Jets guy! Solid character.

Wow Rexypoo, just wow!

And Amia on the 4th line? The guy is proving that when paired with offensive players he can deliver. Reminds me of Wheeler when he first came here, he was a great playmaker just had no one to finish his passes.
- TheUltimateJet

Myers keeps getting worse, Kulikov isn’t good enough to play above the bottom pairing, and we literally couldn’t sign a better defensive player than Enstrom in this offseason. He was having a quiet bounce back year before that injury, and he’s still our best shutdown option on the left side. Between his defence, his stabilizing effect, and the team’s loyalty, he absolutely gets an extension. 2x3 or 3x2.

It sounds like Comrie had a tough game. Being that he is still a valued prospect, but might be a bit of time away from the big team, do we see Hutch if the concussion to Mason keeps him out for longer?

Hutch has a .951 save average, has experience, something to prove?? I am not ready to trade him quite yet as we might need him? Do we see him soon? The trouble with that scenario is that he would have to clear waivers if and when Mason is ready or is there another way to get him up without losing him in a waiver situation?

Thanks for the long reply. Fair enough. I'd still rather have Trocheck personally on the Jets and feel he is still the better fit for a third line than Barkov. Jets need extra depth come playoff time. I was only comparing the two of them anyways and should have said "Barkov is MORE one dimensional" rather than " TOO one dimensional" . No biggie. Both are signed to long term contracts so the whole point of a trade for them is moot anyways.
- jetsnation

Ekblad not one of the top 2 untouchables ?

It sounds like Comrie had a tough game. Being that he is still a valued prospect, but might be a bit of time away from the big team, do we see Hutch if the concussion to Mason keeps him out for longer?

Hutch has a .951 save average, has experience, something to prove?? I am not ready to trade him quite yet as we might need him? Do we see him soon? The trouble with that scenario is that he would have to clear waivers if and when Mason is ready or is there another way to get him up without losing him in a waiver situation?
- CharlieDog

The problem with Hutch is that if he was brought up because he needs to pass through waivers we would most certainly lose him to another team.

Ekblad not one of the top 2 untouchables ?
- bennythehat

My comment/reply was long enough, so I just left defenseman Ekblad out. You could say he's 2 and Trocheck is 3, or they are 2a & 2b. All three are untouchable, imo.

The problem with Hutch is that if he was brought up because he needs to pass through waivers we would most certainly lose him to another team.
- BookemDano

Hutch will be traded by Dec 20th while he is still hot and there are teams in need such as Florida, Edmonton, Pittsburgh , etc. Its also beneficial for the Jets to shed that $1.3 MM salary to give them more cap space at trade deadline time. I'm guessing Hutch's value has risen somewhat. Might be now worth a second vs a third.

Hutch will be traded by Dec 20th while he is still hot and there are teams in need such as Florida, Edmonton, Pittsburgh , etc. Its also beneficial for the Jets to shed that $1.3 MM salary to give them more cap space at trade deadline time. I'm guessing Hutch's value has risen somewhat. Might be now worth a second vs a third.
- jetsnation

The only way Hutch gets traded for a pick if it's at the deadline. I can see him being moved as part of a package by Decembemr 20th for a depth forward.

The only way Hutch gets traded for a pick if it's at the deadline. I can see him being moved as part of a package by Decembemr 20th for a depth forward.
- TheUltimateJet

A package for a depth forward? We already have 4 NHL players sitting out, and 3 should be in the lineup right now. They are, of course, Roslovic, Petan, and Dano. Matthias is the 4 with the big salary keeping him around.

Got to agree with Rexy regarding acquiring another depth forward as we have a number in the “A” and a couple healthy scratches. Perhaps a deal for more of an impact player might be in the cards.

In terms of goalies, I guess we could afford having Hutch dealt as we have Comrie, Phillips and the Russian kid Berdin in Sioux Falls. Last summer, the Jets invited Cole Kehler, local kid from Altona to the summer camp. He is currently in Portland and has history with Flaherty. The kid is doing great in Portland and has drive, like his father, uncle and grandpa. I will predict right now that this kid will be an NHLer some day and the Jets should try and select him when or if they get the chance. If the apple did not fall from the tree, the kid will be driven, driven and driven and highly intelligent. I said it here, might take a few years though.

I see Cole Kehler signed with LA yesterday as a FA for three years ELA. I apologize if this ends up as a double post.

It will be interesting to keep tabs on this MB kid!

Got to agree with Rexy regarding acquiring another depth forward as we have a number in the “A” and a couple healthy scratches. Perhaps a deal for more of an impact player might be in the cards.
- CharlieDog

I think the type of depth UltimateJet might be referring to would be a serious depth forward. A guy like Mark Stone would fit the bill perfectly. He is an RFA at the end of the year and a Winnipeg boy with tons of heart and drive. He would be a welcome addition. Furthermore in a years time ( or sooner) Karlsson is on the move and they will need to shore up the D ( which has been pretty terrible lately). Jets can afford to give up a defenceman as we have some depth in Chariot and Poolman. If Trouba truly doesn't want to stay then there are some possibilities here. The most important part of this is that Stone would most surely sign a long-term contract in WPG. Not so sure about Trouba.

I think the type of depth UltimateJet might be referring to would be a serious depth forward. A guy like Mark Stone would fit the bill perfectly. He is an RFA at the end of the year and a Winnipeg boy with tons of heart and drive. He would be a welcome addition. Furthermore in a years time ( or sooner) Karlsson is on the move and they will need to shore up the D ( which has been pretty terrible lately). Jets can afford to give up a defenceman as we have some depth in Chariot and Poolman. If Trouba truly doesn't want to stay then there are some possibilities here.
- jetsnation

Stone is a top line forward. That’s not happening. I would, however, advocate a Byfuglien/Karlsson deal. More like Byfuglien, Little, and a 1st.

Stone is a top line forward. That’s not happening. I would, however, advocate a Byfuglien/Karlsson deal. More like Byfuglien, Little, and a 1st.
- Rexypoo

Yeah right ! Makes no sense. Give up two quality core guys who are signed long term plus a first for Karlsson who is a free agent agent at the end of next season and would cost $11-13 MM per season. Are you insane !

I'd do Stone for Trouba straight up . Both upcoming RFA's and Stone would sign long-term here while Trouba might be gone after next year. Good deal for the Jets.

Yeah right ! Makes no sense. Give up two quality core guys who are signed long term plus a first for Karlsson who is a free agent agent at the end of next season and would cost $11-13 MM per season. Are you insane !

I'd do Stone for Trouba straight up . Both upcoming RFA's and Stone would sign long-term here while Trouba might be gone after next year. Good deal for the Jets.
- jetsnation

Here’s the thing: Byfuglien and Little are both in horrendous contracts. They’re both already not living up to them, and we should move before everyone else around the league realizes it.

Stone isn’t on Trouba’s level. He’s also 2 years older, and you’d be dealing your best defenceman (a weak position as is) to get your 3rd or 4th best forward (a logjam position). Even thought Stone is a top liner, it still makes no sense for us to be trading for anything but a lefty to bump Enstrom down and Kulikov out.