It's on the chart... and not sure where you're getting 27 from?
- SimmerDown17

.33 is 1/3 of a point per game. 82/3 is 27 and some change. Hence 27 points for the season. I doubt there are many 4th liners scoring 27 points in a season.

.33 is 1/3 of a point per game. 82/3 is 27 and some change. Hence 27 points for the season. I doubt there are many 4th liners scoring 27 points in a season.
- mickel25

Usage is what matters...Gagner was on PP1 for Columbus, but he was a "4th liner" some guys move up during the year, some guys play more than 8 minutes a game...it all depends

Usage is what matters...Gagner was on PP1 for Columbus, but he was a "4th liner" some guys move up during the year, some guys play more than 8 minutes a game...it all depends
- YuenglingJagr

I agree with that. However, I think Gagner is the exception. Most 4th liners are PK guys. Either way you slice it a 4th liner scoring 27 points would seem to be a rarity.

Hoping to get Bugs working on Alabama next


- johndewar

i'm all for that. bye.

I should clarify it was in response to a claim that Hak was incorrectly utilizing Raffl on the 4th line at the start of the season. Given his production last season I don't think it was incorrect. Raffl is a good player but struggles to finish and he was even given top minutes at stretches last year. He's defensively solid and can definitely play on the 3rd but not going to get much scoring from him (he's proving me wrong lately).

.33 is 1/3 of a point per game. 82/3 is 27 and some change. Hence 27 points for the season. I doubt there are many 4th liners scoring 27 points in a season.
- mickel25

Raffl struggles to finish, but has as many ESG as Giroux since the start of 14/15 in 40 fewer games.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...,gte,1&sort=evGoals,goals

I should clarify it was in response to a claim that Hak was incorrectly utilizing Raffl on the 4th line at the start of the season. Given his production last season I don't think it was incorrect. Raffl is a good player but struggles to finish and he was even given top minutes at stretches last year. He's defensively solid and can definitely play on the 3rd but not going to get much scoring from him (he's proving me wrong lately).
- SimmerDown17

If he can maintain a .5 PPG over the long haul, he's keeping his current spot. Here's hoping.

Usage is what matters...Gagner was on PP1 for Columbus, but he was a "4th liner" some guys move up during the year, some guys play more than 8 minutes a game...it all depends
- YuenglingJagr

The whole idea of comparing players based on sole production numbers is difficult, and quite frankly doesn't paint the whole picture.

As you say, depends so much on how you are deployed and with whom you are deployed that depends on your raw numbers.

I like comparing ES points as well as p/60. But, I think comparing role players in particular based solely on point production just isn't a good representation of that player.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....-flyers/line-combinations

Flyers signed a new backup goalie

The whole idea of comparing players based on sole production numbers is difficult, and quite frankly doesn't paint the whole picture.

As you say, depends so much on how you are deployed and with whom you are deployed that depends on your raw numbers.

I like comparing ES points as well as p/60. But, I think comparing role players in particular based solely on point production just isn't a good representation of that player.
- VladDrag

I agree. I just wanted to point out that 27 points is a nice season for most players. The Flyers will probably only have 6-7 forwards that score more than that this season.

Lehtera, Weiss, Leier, Patrick, Weal are pretty much locks not to get 27 points this year. Konecny might. Raffl probably will now.

Once I saw Bellemare's name on the list, I knew he was gone. He's played well at the worlds and played well for Europe in the last World Cup when a throw together team made the finals. Of course Bellemare isn't what the Flyers have needed desperately for a while now and that's nine legit Top 9 forwards who can produce offense at a respectable level. Raffl is filling one hole for now and let's hope he keeps that going but his output, save for the 20+ goal year playing LW with two All Stars, has never been legit Top 9.
- fls13

What does he have to do to be a "legit Top 9" player?

https://www.dailyfaceoff....-flyers/line-combinations

Flyers signed a new backup goalie
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Raffl struggles to finish, but has as many ESG as Giroux since the start of 14/15 in 40 fewer games.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...,gte,1&sort=evGoals,goals
- Feanor

Irrelevant.

Cap projected to rise to 78-82 mil next season and with the NHL asking Seattle for a measly 650 mil for their franchise we will only see the cap continue to rise until the inevitable lock out. Moral of the story I think the cap strapped flyers history is one we wont have to worry about for awhile.
- SimmerDown

Plus GM's will want to really lock up their 28 and under core players up to long term deals before salaries inflate. Could end up with some nice bargains

https://www.dailyfaceoff....-flyers/line-combinations

Flyers signed a new backup goalie
- YuenglingJagr

Plus GM's will want to really lock up their 28 and under core players up to long term deals before salaries inflate. Could end up with some nice bargains
- Nucker101

so teams had to keep people with NMCs...so lets just give everyone we like NMCs so we have to keep them during expansion :D

Can't wait to lose a blue chip prospect in the expansion
- Giroux_Is_God

the report i heard said 20-21 for expansion.

Irrelevant.
- SimmerDown17

Sarcasm?

What does he have to do to be a "legit Top 9" player?
- jmatchett383

Produce offense without being a liability without the puck. He's got the second part of that down, no one questions that. A half a point a game would lock him in. If he sags from that but the team continues to win, he's OK. The Flyers biggest issue the last few years is while they've had plenty of forwards who can play in the league, take a shift and not kill your chances, they haven't been able to score enough. Hopefully, this fix holds awhile. I'm happy to say I was wrong about Raffl's ability to deliver with this chance.

Otani signed with the Angels...kind of disappointed he signed in the AL

Sarcasm?
- drunkberg

Yeah Feanor made me eat my words.

Yeah Feanor made me eat my words.
- SimmerDown17

how were they prepared?

how were they prepared?
- YuenglingJagr

with extra sauce

so teams had to keep people with NMCs...so lets just give everyone we like NMCs so we have to keep them during expansion :D
- YuenglingJagr

AMac

Can't wait to lose a blue chip prospect in the expansion
- Giroux_Is_God

Like we seen with Vegas there are ways around losing a blue chipper and we seem to have a plethora of picks year after year to offer.