Honestly don't get blaming Dutch here at all. Turris wasn't going to sign, so the trade made perfect sense. Dutch has been solid on faceoffs which allows Ottawa to have and control the puck. Last night it was attrocious puck control and sloppy passing and play that was killing them.

Honestly I look at the Coach here and his system. History on Boucher points to a one year wonderful turnaround for the team hiring him, followed by swift decline second year.

It's Boucher and his system clearly. Who in their right mind takes Duchene a skilled forward who can shoot, and passes well and parks him on screen duty in front of the net to get abused and try and get a garbage tap in goal??? That should be the job of Ryan, Burrows etc NOT Dutch. He should be cycling behind the net/half boards, opening up the opposition to get a shot through on net. Example the Kings don't put Kopitar in front of the net, they put Brown there. Just STUPID!

Why is Boucher letting EK stay out there all the time? He literally played with every damn defenceman, that is screwing pairings and match ups. EK is the best player, sure, but cut down the shifts, get off the damn ice and keep the matchups and stay rested a bit more.

There seems to be no damn structure at all, and not a whole hell of a lot of coaching going on at all there other than throw everything against the wall and hope something sticks and pans out.
- Roadrunner75

This....is really accurate....i agree with this...

I am very much questioning Boucher this season and a lot of his decisions...i still think hes a good coach, but hes gonna have to start adapting and overcoming his stubborness playing Vets....how does this guy go from having ceci as 7th D in practice...debate sitting him and then put him out there for 21 mins........if either Ceci or Oduya arent sitting tonight then i just dont know what hes doing at all

Personally, I didn't think it was that bad of a game. Karlsson actually woke up a bit.... finally.

Duchene I think is one of our hardest working players.

If the blame falls on anyone I think it's Boucher, he needs consistency in the lines and he needs to change up his system. I think the guys will appreciate him not ripping them apart in the media like he could have yesterday.

I still think we have a cup contending team but we need to pull it together.

I'm starting to wonder if/when Management is going to make some moves. Ceci, Oduya, Borrows etc. Guys that Boucher keeps relying on that aren't getting the job done.

the mistake with the duchene trade is the same mistake the leafs made with the kessel trade.

bringing in a skilled forward to team with bad goaltending and bad defensemen doesn't help.
- Tumbleweed

Problem i have with this interpretation is that historically, Anderson has never been the problem here.

When the Sens are successful, for them, the year they beat the habs, last season (damn that's a short list)

Anderson has been one of their best players. Even when the team is bad, he's not the problem.

Right now goal tending is the problem (among many others). He's often been streaky, It's just much more pronounced right now. Maybe it's age, or maybe he's due to snap out of this and rattle off some amazing play. Or maybe this is just a bad year for him. I just don't think it;s fair to put this as a team with bad goaltending, when usually he isn't.

Personally, I didn't think it was that bad of a game. Karlsson actually woke up a bit.... finally.

Duchene I think is one of our hardest working players.

If the blame falls on anyone I think it's Boucher, he needs consistency in the lines and he needs to change up his system. I think the guys will appreciate him not ripping them apart in the media like he could have yesterday.

I still think we have a cup contending team but we need to pull it together.

I'm starting to wondering if/when Management is going to make some moves. Ceci, Oduya, Borrows etc. Guys that Boucher keeps relying on that aren't getting the job done.
- Maverick1818

i will never understand his reliance on Ceci and Oduya....Ceci especially...theres no metric or eye test in which Ceci has been good...

I dont mind oduya and think he could very serviceable as a 5-6 guy...problem is because hes a vet he gets all the minutes from Boucher...i said in my post earlier, right now i think Boucher is a big part of the problem..i think hes a good coach, hes just completely stubborn and refuses to adapt...if he can start to do that I think they will be ok...as long as he keeps trying to do the same thing its gonna be a mess

Also i will defend that Duchene trade to the end...i like turris a lot and happy hes doing well...but was clear he wasnt going to resign here so good on dorion to address that and help get something back...Duchene has been solid...the whole goddamn team isnt putting up points...

Problem i have with this interpretation is that historically, Anderson has never been the problem here.

When the Sens are successful, for them, the year they beat the habs, last season (damn that's a short list)

Anderson has been one of their best players. Even when the team is bad, he's not the problem.

Right now goal tending is the problem (among many others). He's often been streaky, It's just much more pronounced right now. Maybe it's age, or maybe he's due to snap out of this and rattle off some amazing play.
- david22

anderson has never played well when he plays +45 games; which he's on pace for. i also think age may have finally caught up with him.

condon's hot streak from ~november to ~ january kept you guys a float last year; and masked that he's a bad goalie. he's a real problem back there.

you guys won games last year because of great goaltending and great season from karlsson.

chips aren't falling the same way this year.

i will never understand his reliance on Ceci and Oduya....Ceci especially...theres no metric or eye test in which Ceci has been good...

I dont mind oduya and think he could very serviceable as a 5-6 guy...problem is because hes a vet he gets all the minutes from Boucher...i said in my post earlier, right now i think Boucher is a big part of the problem..i think hes a good coach, hes just completely stubborn and refuses to adapt...if he can start to do that I think they will be ok...as long as he keeps trying to do the same thing its gonna be a mess

Also i will defend that Duchene trade to the end...i like turris a lot and happy hes doing well...but was clear he wasnt going to resign here so good on dorion to address that and help get something back...Duchene has been solid...the whole goddamn team isnt putting up points...
- TheMike12

I think the Duchene trade made sense at the time.

Were we so sure there was no way turris was resigning though? I thought he wanted to.

i will never understand his reliance on Ceci and Oduya....Ceci especially...theres no metric or eye test in which Ceci has been good...

I dont mind oduya and think he could very serviceable as a 5-6 guy...problem is because hes a vet he gets all the minutes from Boucher...i said in my post earlier, right now i think Boucher is a big part of the problem..i think hes a good coach, hes just completely stubborn and refuses to adapt...if he can start to do that I think they will be ok...as long as he keeps trying to do the same thing its gonna be a mess

Also i will defend that Duchene trade to the end...i like turris a lot and happy hes doing well...but was clear he wasnt going to resign here so good on dorion to address that and help get something back...Duchene has been solid...the whole goddamn team isnt putting up points...
- TheMike12

The problem with Ceci is that he is a good player, but they treat him incorrectly. He's a natural offensive defense man and they use him as a shut down guy. He'll fail at that 9 times out of 10. Which is why his numbers are so bad.
I don't have a problem with either of these guys, where I have an issue is that we use them over Chabot and Harper.

As for Duchene and Turris. Duchene is a #1C, Turris is a #2C and now that Nashville is using him as that, he's having success. So good for him, I'm happy for him.

I've said for a while the top two lines should be....

Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Smith - Brassard - Stone

Keep those and work an offensive system and I think we will contend for a cup.

The only logical argument for playing Ceci and Iwoulddoya is trying to showcase them for a possible trade.

Ceci had loads of value one year ago, but has next to no value now. Seems to be another classic case of prospect glasses and holding onto them for too long (Cowen, Lazar, etc).

The only logical argument for playing Ceci and Iwoulddoya is trying to showcase them for a possible trade.

Ceci had loads of value one year ago, but has next to no value now. Seems to be another classic case of prospect glasses and holding onto them for too long (Cowen, Lazar, etc).
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

The fact Dorion got a second for Lazar is impressive.

Turning a first into a second isn't ideal, but a good way to minimize losses.

The fact Dorion got a second for Lazar is impressive.

Turning a first into a second isn't ideal, but a good way to minimize losses.
- david22

Easiest way to trade Ceci would be in a package.

Easiest way to trade Ceci would be in a package to edmonton because chiarelli is a moron.
- Maverick1818

fixed that for ya

fixed that for ya
- Tumbleweed

Hahahaha, he's can't be that dumb, he's had a consistent NHL job for years and built a cup winner

Hahahaha, he's can't be that dumb, he's had a consistent NHL job for years and built a cup winner
- Maverick1818

he managed to, mostly thanks to you guys letting chara go and beregon being there before he got there.

he's terrible at trades.

he managed to, mostly thanks to you guys letting chara go and beregon being there before he got there.

he's terrible at trades.
- Tumbleweed

Fair enough. I always thought the worst GM in the NHL is GM George Mcphee. He was so bad in Washington but he's done a good job with Vegas so far

The problem with Ceci is that he is a good player, but they treat him incorrectly. He's a natural offensive defense man and they use him as a shut down guy. He'll fail at that 9 times out of 10. Which is why his numbers are so bad.
I don't have a problem with either of these guys, where I have an issue is that we use them over Chabot and Harper.

As for Duchene and Turris. Duchene is a #1C, Turris is a #2C and now that Nashville is using him as that, he's having success. So good for him, I'm happy for him.

I've said for a while the top two lines should be....

Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Smith - Brassard - Stone

Keep those and work an offensive system and I think we will contend for a cup.
- Maverick1818

this really isnt fair. turris was good on the sens and is now good on the preds, the production between the teams hes played for this season isnt far off. Duchene seems to be the one now in a role hes not suited for. Whether thats as a 1C or even being a center at all.

I think the sens should worry more about the playoffs first before you suggest a simple switch in strategy will contend for a cup.

ill give you credit though for the glass half full optimistic quick fix approach.

I'm a little worried because the Kings are due for a loss, and Ottawa is due for a win. Kuemper is likely starting in net tonight, and he's due for a regulation loss as well (he doesn't have one yet).

Hopefully the streak continues, but there's just a little tickle on my neck that suggests that tonight might be ugly for the Kings.

I'm a little worried because the Kings are due for a loss, and Ottawa is due for a win. Kuemper is likely starting in net tonight, and he's due for a regulation loss as well (he doesn't have one yet).

Hopefully the streak continues, but there's just a little tickle on my neck that suggests that tonight might be ugly for the Kings.
- tkecanuck341

It's the perfect trap game, everything points to it....

if it only wasn't the sens.

this really isnt fair. turris was good on the sens and is now good on the preds, the production between the teams hes played for this season isnt far off. Duchene seems to be the one now in a role hes not suited for. Whether thats as a 1C or even being a center at all.

I think the sens should worry more about the playoffs first before you suggest a simple switch in strategy will contend for a cup.

ill give you credit though for the glass half full optimistic quick fix approach.
- systemtool

Being Optimistic.... very weird for me hahahaha

I just think Turris now has less responsibility as a #2C instead of a #1C here and it shows. I'm happy for him.

Duchene has more and on top of that he's coming into a team with a ton of talent and expectations that is under performing. That's got to be tough.

I hope they can turn it around.

Man. What a missed penalty call in OT.

Being Optimistic.... very weird for me hahahaha

I just think Turris now has less responsibility as a #2C instead of a #1C here and it shows. I'm happy for him.

Duchene has more and on top of that he's coming into a team with a ton of talent and expectations that is under performing. That's got to be tough.

I hope they can turn it around.
- Maverick1818

All I see is Turris producing and Duchene not producing. I said before Duchene isn't much of an upgrade. He really isn't

If Ottawa can resign Duchene it's not a bad deal because Turris wasn't going to sign anyways. Duchene isn't a PPG player like he was 5 years ago. And in two years he won't get paid like one. 7x6 would be a win for the sens.

Trade Karlsonn. Just have to realize you are trading a guy with a year left on his deal. They won't get the moon for him. But they will get a good haul.

Stone is one of the best RW in the NHL imo. A great player to build around.

enjoy guys!

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

enjoy guys!

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft
- Tumbleweed

Top 2 players in that draft are very good. Need one of those guys

Top 2 players in that draft are very good. Need one of those guys
- Santo_44

they do.

especially since they likely won't have their 1st next year.