HAK IS RUINING PATRICK
- 2Real

Brotato chip, I do really think Nolan Patrick was impacted by that concussion he had.

Brotato chip, I do really think Nolan Patrick was impacted by that concussion he had.
- johndewar

IT'S HAKS FAULT HE GOT CONCUSSED

IT'S HAKS FAULT HE GOT CONCUSSED
- 2Real

C'mon, brofessor!

Aint all his fault!

Brotato chip, I do really think Nolan Patrick was impacted by that concussion he had.
- johndewar

Probably but playing him 8 minutes a night sure as hell isn't going to get him in any sort of groove to try and improve his play. Hak is ruining him and TK. I saw at times earlier this season (when he was getting ice time) and last season a player that can really drive offensive pressure and chances out there in Konecny but the kid never gets opportunities to play.

Probably but playing him 8 minutes a night sure as hell isn't going to get him in any sort of groove to try and improve his play. Hak is ruining him and TK. I saw at times earlier this season (when he was getting ice time) and last season a player that can really drive offensive pressure and chances out there in Konecny but the kid never gets opportunities to play.
- FreshFlyer

Dave Hakstol has developed more young hockey players than Chris VandeVelde's dad.

Patrick and Konecny are arguably the Flyers top offensive prospects of the future , how are they bring developed properly with minimal ice time. If they are such a liability together why not split them up so you can actually play them Hak.

Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Filppula-Voracek
Weise-Patrick-Weal
Leier -Laughton - Konecny

Patrick and Konecny are arguably the Flyers top offensive prospects of the future , how are they bring developed properly with minimal ice time. If they are such a liability together why not split them up so you can actually play them Hak.

Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Filppula-Voracek
Weise-Patrick-Weal
Leier -Laughton - Konecny
- FreshFlyer

Lol TK on the fourth line will really get people riled up

Dave Hakstol has developed more young hockey players than Chris VandeVelde's dad.
- johndewar

the only good ones that comes to my mind it toews

Lol TK on the fourth line will really get people riled up
- dragonoffrost

TK is on the 4th line right now the way the ice time is being handled. Laughton's line is getting 3rd line minutes

the only good ones that comes to my mind it toews
- 2Real

Toews became good because of himself I doubt Hakstol had much to do with it. Can't wait till they get rid of him not a fan

the only good ones that comes to my mind it toews
- 2Real

Boesser, Oshie

C'mon, brofessor!

Aint all his fault!
- johndewar

trying to figure out Hakstol's line of thinking gave ME a concussion

Bill, I'm anxious to hear your take on the recent moves by Hak to pretty severely limit his rookies minutes in the 3rd period. Three games in a row is a trend. I'm failing to see how this is helping the kids develop and also failing to see how this will work long term. The forwards who have to pick up the slack are being asked to play more minutes then I'm sure they're used to.
- hereticpride

Right now, given the Flyers' record and all the ground they are trying to make up it's not about development. It's about trying to win games that particular night.

Long term, it won't hurt the young players. Their time will come where they're among the go-to players in crunch time.

History is a good teacher: Go back to 1999-2000, Flyers fans griped when Roger Neilson would elevate Valeri Zelepukin over Simon Gagne in crunch time during the first half of the season. Go back to 2005-06, Flyers fans really, really griped about Ken Hitchcock's "love affair" with Brian Savage and "why isn't Mike Richards getting more ice time" and "I understand why Forsberg was playing more than Jeff Carter but why a washed up Petr Nedved?"

It goes around and around and around. Only the names change. In the reasonably near future, the Weise/Lehterä/ Manning players will be gone and the go-to group will include Patrick, Konecny (although not necessarily when protecting late leads) and Sanheim.

All that being said, I thought Hakstol made the wrong decision to bench Konecny with a 3-goal deficit for most of the third period on Saturday. He was one of the few players creating offense that game and the Flyers were in dire need of a goal from any source that could provide it.

Konecny 10:42
Sanheim 11:39 (Alt with more)
Patrick 8:12

Those winz though boiii. Sigh.

(awaits a Bill spanking)

the only good ones that comes to my mind it toews
- 2Real

Oshie, Stafford, Zajac, Brock Nelson also come to mind. Some NHL role-playing types (Chorney, Porter, Malone) as well.

Not sure why notorious youth friendly coach, Ken Hitchcock, is always a go to example. He also ostracized Patrick Sharp. I really can't say if at some point Konecny doesn't fall into the same category. There's a problem there with him, exemplified no better than the Boston game. He's not a rookie, and it doesn't fly as well as last year to tear him down like one, especially when he is often a positive contributor on his various non-positive lines.

This is also a totally different era of hockey where the youth movement is full bore and ELCs -- productive ELC years -- are essential to not waste.

But honestly, usage like this in small sample isn't that big a deal, especially given the context. If it continues, fine. Sanheim is the exception. He deserves better, has looked very good for the most part after the first few weeks, and he has put in his pro time and it shows. He was very good tonight, but the trust is not there. Hell, when in crunch time, Hakstol trusted Alt more, which is something. We'll see what happens when Gudas returns and they can partner them again (they used them as a 3rd pair the first time despite their success, which was also a terrible usage of Gudas). But he probably would've been scratched on/off for Manning before his injury. I'd even say if they're going to use Laughton as the third line, why not try Konecny with him over Leier? But really I have other bigger issues with how they handle and evaluate young players across both pro teams than minutes in a game in December. That's not a positive statement.

Not sure why notorious youth friendly coach, Ken Hitchcock, is always a go to example.
- Mononoke

Well, for one thing, he made his initial reputation as a highly successful junior coach in Kamloops, and his first gig in the NHL was as an assistant coach with the Flyers, primarily to help implement structure with the group of young players that Russ Farwell drafted.

It was only later that he became known as a coach who heavily favored veterans.

Well, for one thing, he made his initial reputation as a highly successful junior coach in Kamloops, and his first gig in the NHL was as an assistant coach with the Flyers, primarily to help implement structure with the group of young players that Russ Farwell drafted.

It was only later that he became known as a coach who heavily favored veterans.
- bmeltzer

all this aside....... you guys beat the Oilers!!!!

Well, for one thing, he made his initial reputation as a highly successful junior coach in Kamloops, and his first gig in the NHL was as an assistant coach with the Flyers, primarily to help implement structure with the group of young players that Russ Farwell drafted.

It was only later that he became known as a coach who heavily favored veterans.
- bmeltzer

But Bill, how often do we see juniors coaches or college coaches *ahem* not actually rely on young players and get their veteran crutches (like any other coach) when they arrive at the pro level? Just about every coach was a juniors coach at some point. It's part human nature, part necessity, so I'm not trying to make some other point besides what I wrote in my last post.

But in certain areas, push has to come to shove here, and the point of assembling all this youth was to indeed play them, or at least the ones who have earned their minutes, so to speak. This is not the surefire "playoff team" the team heads say. It's a development team still, and that needs to be kept in sight as well. Trust from their coach and confidence in themselves mean everything. Like I said, as someone who watches all of our prospects at all levels, my issues with development are bigger than minutes in a couple road games in December.

But Bill, how often do we see juniors coaches or college coaches *ahem* not actually rely on young players and get their veteran crutches (like any other coach) when they arrive at the pro level? Just about every coach was a juniors coach at some point. It's part human nature, part necessity, so I'm not trying to make some other point besides what I wrote in my last post.

But in certain areas, push has to come to shove here, and the point of assembling all this youth was to indeed play them, or at least the ones who have earned their minutes, so to speak. This is not the surefire "playoff team" the team heads say. It's a development team still, and that needs to be kept in sight as well. Trust from their coach and confidence in themselves mean everything. Like I said, as someone who watches all of our prospects at all levels, my issues with development are bigger than minutes in a couple road games in December.
- Mononoke

It could be argued that playing a lot of minutes for the team when it was struggling so much could be just as harmful as sitting extra shifts until the teams psyche fixes itself. Once the rest of the team fixes the confidence issue then we can focus on getting youth more time. I love Patrick and TK but don't have a problem with them sitting while we string together a few wins.

It could be argued that playing a lot of minutes for the team when it was struggling so much could be just as harmful as sitting extra shifts until the teams psyche fixes itself. Once the rest of the team fixes the confidence issue then we can focus on getting youth more time. I love Patrick and TK but don't have a problem with them sitting while we string together a few wins.
- youarewrong

Really wonder why Patrick is still playing.Injury during pre-season,Injury in-season
and sitting him doesnt help either.He is a 2017 draft pick and shouldnt play again before next season

It could be argued that playing a lot of minutes for the team when it was struggling so much could be just as harmful as sitting extra shifts until the teams psyche fixes itself. Once the rest of the team fixes the confidence issue then we can focus on getting youth more time. I love Patrick and TK but don't have a problem with them sitting while we string together a few wins.
- youarewrong

Really wonder why Patrick is still playing.Injury during pre-season,Injury in-season
and sitting him doesnt help either.He is a 2017 draft pick and shouldnt play again before next season

If we were playing a team not as big of a tire fire as the oilers we would of lost this game. The 2 game win streak is nice but anyone who's delusional to say this play is playoff worthy is going to have a harsh reality when our division games come up. I think its funny to hear the players talk about how amazing they've been playing they really have not.

Not playing the kids for wins in a fruitless season is wrong. It just is. If tk Patrick can't be trusted flip tk and simmer. No excuse just to push all your inexperience to one line and not play it. This isn't one player over another this is an entire group of youth players being benched for all pro guys like dale weise. Tired of hearing the kool aid induced responses about it.

Right now, given the Flyers' record and all the ground they are trying to make up it's not about development. It's about trying to win games that particular night.

Long term, it won't hurt the young players. Their time will come where they're among the go-to players in crunch time.

History is a good teacher: Go back to 1999-2000, Flyers fans griped when Roger Neilson would elevate Valeri Zelepukin over Simon Gagne in crunch time during the first half of the season. Go back to 2005-06, Flyers fans really, really griped about Ken Hitchcock's "love affair" with Brian Savage and "why isn't Mike Richards getting more ice time" and "I understand why Forsberg was playing more than Jeff Carter but why a washed up Petr Nedved?"

It goes around and around and around. Only the names change. In the reasonably near future, the Weise/Lehterä/ Manning players will be gone and the go-to group will include Patrick, Konecny (although not necessarily when protecting late leads) and Sanheim.

All that being said, I thought Hakstol made the wrong decision to bench Konecny with a 3-goal deficit for most of the third period on Saturday. He was one of the few players creating offense that game and the Flyers were in dire need of a goal from any source that could provide it.
- bmeltzer

I dont have an issue right now with the ice time. I do have an issue with Weise being on their line and Weise getting time. yes he scored but it was a soft goal. Alt, I have no issue, he played a good game and he is big and can skate. i actually like him in the lineup better than Manning. Manning is all heart but he doesnt have that one thing that makes him a top 6 D. Alt has size and can skate.

Patrick basically had 2 surgeries that G and Ghost had, next season we will see the real Patrick. Nico is well above Patrick right now, we will see next season.

Elliot has been a good signing, most nights even during the losing streak he has played well. It also appears he has a maturity and is probably becoming a leader on the team