says the guy who post more than anyone
- rinaldo

says the guy that shouldnt post at all

Your description of my posts is inaccurate. For example in response Mononoke's ridiculous opinion that Hakstol does not allow defenseman to be aggressive offensively, I gave numerous real game examples to show how he is incorrect. Referencing comments that the coach has made is valid information towards that discussion but is only part of my rebuttal. What's interesting though is that Mononoke repeatedly references Tortotrella's comment that he wants Werenski to be a rover.
- MJL

You're beneath a response, but I really hate when people misconstrue what I write, which you either do on purpose or out of ignorance. It's hard to tell. I'm sure you'll write a longer, fascinating response to this, but this is all you'll get before I leave.

You mean to tell me that you can point to anecdotal instances of something happening? Does that serve as universal proof? If I point to Manning scoring a goal, does that make him an offensive defenseman because of that one instance? I never said d-men don't jump in........as trailers. It's part of Hakstol's system for d-men to be aggressive at times within the structure of the system. It's aggressive in a simple sense. You see Manning take it to the nth degree because he's not very bright but follows the system. They also always funnel shots to them to let the d-men continually blast away from out of orbit. And they don't have issue with trailers. But in terms of aggressive creativity, holding onto pucks, leading rushes......that's mostly not looked upon favorably. Mistakes playing creatively aggressive are not accepted as something that happens but rather ironed out. Of course many d-men can't do that, but Sanheim, who the conversation was directed about, has a heaping of quotes about being told to not do these things, even if he'll sneak it in now and again.

I do reference Tortorella constantly saying he wants Werenski to have the green light and be a "rover," a word he uses, in light of Sanheim actually being told to NOT do those things and to NOT be a rover but to simplify his game. I am a huge Sanheim fan and think he has that potential in him. But it's something they pressed upon him to cut out at the AHL level -- I know you don't actually watch that -- let alone the NHL level. It goes back to what I also wrote about having prospects play "reliable" and "safe." Why you can use coaches' quotes constantly as a source of illumination but me using Torts' quotes is beyond the pale, I don't know. If you're making a critique that people rag on you for doing the same, it's because you don't have an actual opinion developed in your own brain. Those quotes ARE your opinion; they don't support it.

You're beneath a response, but I really hate when people misconstrue what I write, which you either do on purpose or out of ignorance. I'm sure you'll write a response to this, but this is all you'll get before I leave.

You mean to tell me that you can point to anecdotal instances of something happening? Does that serve as universal proof? I never said d-men don't jump in........as trailers. It's part of Hakstol's system for d-men to be aggressive at times within the structure of the system. It's aggressive in a simple sense. You see Manning take it to the nth degree because he's lobotomized. They also always funnel shots to them to let the d-men continually blast away from out of orbit. And they don't have issue with trailers. But in terms of aggressive creativity, holding onto pucks, leading rushes......that's mostly not looked upon favorably. Of course many d-men can't do that, but Sanheim, who the conversation was directed about, has a heaping of quotes about being told to not do these things.

I do reference Tortorella constantly saying he wants Werenski to have the green light and be a "rover," a word he uses, in light of Sanheim actually being told to NOT do those things and to NOT be a rover but to simplify his game. I am a huge Sanheim fan and think he has that potential in him. But it's something they pressed upon him to cut out at the AHL level -- I know you don't actually watch that -- let alone the NHL level. It goes back to what I also wrote about having prospects play "reliable" and "safe." Why you can use coaches' quotes constantly as a source of illumination but me using Torts' quotes is beyond the pale, I don't know. If you're making a critique that people rag on you for doing the same, it's because you're a shell without an actual opinion. Those quotes ARE your opinion; they don't support it.
- Mononoke

(Slow hand clap leading to thunderous standing ovation)

maybe they are already there? where they came from. I never did get that saying.....just saying.

- landros 2

I came from a uterus and there is no way in hell im going back

Admittedly, I do backread

Precision of language and proper grammar should always be treasured
- BiggE

I guess punctuation didn’t make the cut

Did everyone get banned? Long overdue imo

Did everyone get banned? Long overdue imo
- funmaster18

Seems like it..

No one,better ban the clown though

You're beneath a response, but I really hate when people misconstrue what I write, which you either do on purpose or out of ignorance. It's hard to tell. I'm sure you'll write a longer, fascinating response to this, but this is all you'll get before I leave.

You mean to tell me that you can point to anecdotal instances of something happening? Does that serve as universal proof? If I point to Manning scoring a goal, does that make him an offensive defenseman because of that one instance? I never said d-men don't jump in........as trailers. It's part of Hakstol's system for d-men to be aggressive at times within the structure of the system. It's aggressive in a simple sense. You see Manning take it to the nth degree because he's not very bright but follows the system. They also always funnel shots to them to let the d-men continually blast away from out of orbit. And they don't have issue with trailers. But in terms of aggressive creativity, holding onto pucks, leading rushes......that's mostly not looked upon favorably. Mistakes playing creatively aggressive are not accepted as something that happens but rather ironed out. Of course many d-men can't do that, but Sanheim, who the conversation was directed about, has a heaping of quotes about being told to not do these things, even if he'll sneak it in now and again.

I do reference Tortorella constantly saying he wants Werenski to have the green light and be a "rover," a word he uses, in light of Sanheim actually being told to NOT do those things and to NOT be a rover but to simplify his game. I am a huge Sanheim fan and think he has that potential in him. But it's something they pressed upon him to cut out at the AHL level -- I know you don't actually watch that -- let alone the NHL level. It goes back to what I also wrote about having prospects play "reliable" and "safe." Why you can use coaches' quotes constantly as a source of illumination but me using Torts' quotes is beyond the pale, I don't know. If you're making a critique that people rag on you for doing the same, it's because you don't have an actual opinion developed in your own brain. Those quotes ARE your opinion; they don't support it.
- Mononoke

Lots of backtracking here. You have not offered a shred of proof that Sanheim was told not to be aggressive offensively. The other day you stated that the Flyers and their defenseman have to play safe, safe, safe. The problem isn't that you've used a coaches quote to support your opinion, it's that's all you've offered and that doesn't even support your opinion. You can't support your opinion with anything factual because is simply wrong. No coach wants his defenseman consistently leading rushes. It's simply bad hockey. Every team and every coach wants his team playing within the team structure and as part of a 5 man unit. You make comments about watching the game but Nobody could possibly watch the Flyers play and come to the conclusions you have in terms of defenseman being allowed to play aggressively offensively and attack in the offensive zone. You just want to continually push that false narrative to criticize the coach because you don't like him. Game after game, Flyers defenseman are deep in the offensive zone aggressively offensively. Last night, Hagg was the puck carrier on a 2 on 1! Right after Edmonton scored their second goal to bring it within one goal with 6:07 left in the 3rd period, MacDonald was in deep within two feet of the Edmonton net filling a hole. In the 3rd period late in the game with a one goal lead! Flyers have to play safe, safe, safe! It's pure bunk! Nothing you've said has been misconstrued, it's simply been proven wrong.

To sum it up, coaches quotes are a secondary part of the evidence I offer to support my opinion, while one coaches quote is all you offer. The main evidence I offer to support my opinion is the numerous real game examples of Flyers defenseman, including Travis Sanheim, playing aggressively in the offensive zone, including in this response from last night's game, that I've offered to support my opinion. . Your comment of " you don't have an actual opinion developed in your own brain. Those quotes ARE your opinion; they don't support it" is a desperate reach in an ad hominen attack because you have no other recourse. Your false narrative has been completely disproven and is really evidence of a lack of insight into the game. I'll repeat what I've said previously, your comments are disqualifying.

Seems like it..

No one,better ban the clown though
- opeth_pa

You’ll have to be more specific

The more time that goes by, the more I’m convinced that MJL, Mononoke, LIP_Out (among others) are actually multiple identities of the same person. It might even be Dave Hakstol, playing the longest, sickest joke in hockey buzz history

No coach wants his defenseman consistently leading rushes. It's simply bad hockey. Every team and every coach wants his team playing within the team structure and as part of a 5 man unit.
- MJL

I think we're mostly on the same page here. If you're a Dman leading rushes consistently in the NHL you're probably not playing the position right. But when there's a chance for a Dman to get a clean entry with the puck, they're going to take it even during a line change just about every time. I think the Flyers offensive issues have been more in execution, making passes and shots, than in anything coming from Hakstol. There's been a little too much looking for perfect plays and not just making a play at the net, positioning around the net has sagged, and you have to make shots. That's been the issue as I see it. Primarily execution, but I'm not sure Hakstol has provided any brilliant fixes on this either.

The more time that goes by, the more I’m convinced that MJL, Mononoke, LIP_Out (among others) are actually multiple identities of the same person. It might even be Dave Hakstol, playing the longest, sickest joke in hockey buzz history
- funmaster18

It's pretty obvious who LIP_Out is.

You're beneath a response, but I really hate when people misconstrue what I write, which you either do on purpose or out of ignorance. It's hard to tell. I'm sure you'll write a longer, fascinating response to this, but this is all you'll get before I leave.

You mean to tell me that you can point to anecdotal instances of something happening? Does that serve as universal proof? If I point to Manning scoring a goal, does that make him an offensive defenseman because of that one instance? I never said d-men don't jump in........as trailers. It's part of Hakstol's system for d-men to be aggressive at times within the structure of the system. It's aggressive in a simple sense. You see Manning take it to the nth degree because he's not very bright but follows the system. They also always funnel shots to them to let the d-men continually blast away from out of orbit. And they don't have issue with trailers. But in terms of aggressive creativity, holding onto pucks, leading rushes......that's mostly not looked upon favorably. Mistakes playing creatively aggressive are not accepted as something that happens but rather ironed out. Of course many d-men can't do that, but Sanheim, who the conversation was directed about, has a heaping of quotes about being told to not do these things, even if he'll sneak it in now and again.

I do reference Tortorella constantly saying he wants Werenski to have the green light and be a "rover," a word he uses, in light of Sanheim actually being told to NOT do those things and to NOT be a rover but to simplify his game. I am a huge Sanheim fan and think he has that potential in him. But it's something they pressed upon him to cut out at the AHL level -- I know you don't actually watch that -- let alone the NHL level. It goes back to what I also wrote about having prospects play "reliable" and "safe." Why you can use coaches' quotes constantly as a source of illumination but me using Torts' quotes is beyond the pale, I don't know. If you're making a critique that people rag on you for doing the same, it's because you don't have an actual opinion developed in your own brain. Those quotes ARE your opinion; they don't support it.
- Mononoke

Regardless of your opinions. Your comments are qualified.

It's pretty obvious who LIP_Out is.
- MJL

I’ve heard it’s you? So it ain’t that obvious.

It's pretty obvious who LIP_Out is.
- MJL

i thought so at first but i'm lost now

I think we're mostly on the same page here. If you're a Dman leading rushes consistently in the NHL you're probably not playing the position right. But when there's a chance for a Dman to get a clean entry with the puck, they're going to take it even during a line change just about every time. I think the Flyers offensive issues have been more in execution, making passes and shots, than in anything coming from Hakstol. There's been a little too much looking for perfect plays and not just making a play at the net, positioning around the net has sagged, and you have to make shots. That's been the issue as I see it. Primarily execution, but I'm not sure Hakstol has provided any brilliant fixes on this either.
- fls13

There are definitely times, they don't come around that often, when a defenseman should take advantage of an opportunity. In last night's game, Hagg was the puck carrier on a 2 on 1. I doubt when he got to the bench that Hakstol scolded him for leading the rush it was done smartly within the flow of a the game and took advantage of an opportunity.
Flyers definitely over pass the puck at times but I think that's due to confidence issue and as you said, looking to make the perfect play.

I’ve heard it’s you? So it ain’t that obvious.
- landros 2

Its not obvious enough for me to have a clue. I am waiting breathlessly for the big reveal.

i thought so at first but i'm lost now
- Mordecai

It’s endlessly confusing around here

Is there some secret way to access your inbox through the mobile friendly version of this site that I’m missing?

The more time that goes by, the more I’m convinced that MJL, Mononoke, LIP_Out (among others) are actually multiple identities of the same person. It might even be Dave Hakstol, playing the longest, sickest joke in hockey buzz history
- funmaster18

Gotta be Chief tbh

Is there some secret way to access your inbox through the mobile friendly version of this site that I’m missing?
- funmaster18

if you're using Chrome on mobile you can change the layout to original one.

When you look at teams who play a style that has you thinking “aggressive hockey”. The flyers are right at the top of that list.

Please.

Regardless of your opinions. Your comments are qualified.
- landros 2

Nahh. Calling people’s opinions ridiculous and stupid isn’t getting personal.

Exhibit A in irony.

There are definitely times, they don't come around that often, when a defenseman should take advantage of an opportunity. In last night's game, Hagg was the puck carrier on a 2 on 1. I doubt when he got to the bench that Hakstol scolded him for leading the rush it was done smartly within the flow of a the game and took advantage of an opportunity.
Flyers definitely over pass the puck at times but I think that's due to confidence issue and as you said, looking to make the perfect play.
- MJL

If you're a Dman and you're in on an odd man rush, you take it to the net, no doubt about it but you don't see that too often. Still it's an automatic go. One of the trailing forwards has to read and cover for you. Speaking of 2-on-1s, I was very pleased to see Raffl take another shot on a 2-on-1 after scoring his goal. One bad choice I often see Flyers make is after they score a goal, they pass on shooting chances the rest of the game. Hahahah! That makes me nuts.

If you're a Dman and you're in on an odd man rush, you take it to the net, no doubt about it but you don't see that too often. Still it's an automatic go. One of the trailing forwards has to read and cover for you. Speaking of 2-on-1s, I was very pleased to see Raffl take another shot on a 2-on-1 after scoring his goal. One bad choice I often see Flyers make is after they score a goal, they pass on shooting chances the rest of the game. Hahahah! That makes me nuts.
- fls13

It's hard to fault Hakstol because in the beginning of the season that 4th line was playing well but I always felt that Raffl belonged higher in the lineup that Weise. He's simply a much better player and can score when given the chance.

One criticism of Hakstol that I think is completely legit is being too slow to adjust. Other than some minor line juggling he didn't change much during the 10 game losing streak. Last two games he changes the forecheck and breaks up the top line and they look much better. I thought they were still poor in the neutral zone in the Calgary game but much better last night. It also certainly helps to get secondary scoring.