It's shot attempts for + shot attempts against. Basically the "pace of the game." Hawks shoot more and get shot on more than other teams.
- JRoenick97

Shots on net? shots taken? We all know that each stadium has their own criteria for what a shot is.

This is a graph created by a 10 year old in order of his favorite teams.

Can't we just fired them all?
- DarthKane

Hey Darth, I fully expect Bowman to either:
A) Do nothing at all come trade deadline time, stick with his "We like our team" mantra, the Hawks are out in round 1 of the playoffs (if they even make it), and then it's between him and Q for who gets the can.
OR
B). Make a very insignificant trade, like Kempny for (insert worthless sub-4 D-Man's name here), the Hawks are out in round 1 of the playoffs (if they even make it), and then it's between him and Q for who gets the can.
Bowman's a p***y, let's just call a spade a spade

I really liked the trades Bowman made for Kimmo Timonen and Rob Scuderi.

A real finisher on the top line would be nice.
- JRoenick97

Why not see what Debrincat can do with Toews before contemplating a trade that is probably going to be expensive to make?

He would be the Hawks' #1 Dman today.
- EnzoD

....and you may be without that Cup in 2015. At the time Oduya over Leddy was the correct choice and it proved to be so in the playoffs. Long term, obviously, keeping Leddy or getting more for him would have been better.

I don't think anyone can argue that Leddy should not have been traded. He had to go, the numbers dictated that.

What galls most of us on this side is Bowman undersold him by waiting too long to move him....you do NOT trade an experienced yet young 21 yo puck moving D-man for trash. Pokka is all that's left from that fiasco and he's probably not even considered a prospect anymore.
- kwolf68

This Leddy discussion continues even though it has been dissected countless times. Just like the Bowman left the team in bad shape after three Cups. Some fans can't see all the facts or are weighed down by only one part of the outcome now a few years past the trade and after winning three Cups.

Most GM's do not make 100% good moves. Bowman has done both well and blown some transactions. Pokka was considered a good prospect at the time. Not just by Bowman, but where he rated for the Entry Draft. Bowman painted himself into a corner and Leddy was the price insofar as to retain the remainder if the roster. So, trade did not work out but Bowman is not totally to blame. He had salary cap problems not all on him (A complete excellent explanation by St Louis Braves entry last blog). He kept others here and the core still intact won two more Cups.

Understand all of that. Ramifications.

As for you knocking the state of the current roster, if you took a poll most in this board would agree we did not come out too bad nowadays after paying the price to win three Cups. No one else has won three Cups in six years for a couple decades, correct! Again Bowman could have done better. But with late draft picks each round he gambled for skill and it turns out he got skill + soft player.

Meanwhile those who think Tallon was so great, he drafted round one Babchuck, a Russian foreward who is a bust, and Skille. Babchuk = upchuck and Skille name is an oxymoron. How much different would trades and salary cap look if just one of those choices was descent.

You have to look at the entire picture and ramifications. Yes Bowman did not leave a great team after three Cups and Leddy loss was an error in judgment. Still, your expectation for this year is too high and your blame is not logicly sound. Opportunity cost to win and the price of diminshing returns my friend.

I really liked the trades Bowman made for Kimmo Timonen and Rob Scuderi.
- StutzBlackhawk

Yea they were classic.

....and you may be without that Cup in 2015. At the time Oduya over Leddy was the correct choice and it proved to be so in the playoffs. Long term, obviously, keeping Leddy or getting more for him would have been better.
- TheTrob

IIRC, Bowman traded Leddy a year before his ELC was up. My gripe is not trading him, I understand that decision and it worked out for 2015. However, giving NYI their #1 Dman for a KHL goalie and lead footed dman that has played a total of 0 NHL RS games is unacceptable. Danault, Leddy, + TT have gotten the Hawks literally nothing in NHL contribution and all 3 are playing Top Line roles on their current teams.


Here's hoping Debrincat/Forsling aren't the next young talents that are traded away for nothing.


Are there any legit Top 6 scorers (either C or W) that might be available for trade before the deadline?

This Leddy discussion continues even though it has been dissected countless times. Just like the Bowman left thus team in bad shape after three Cups. Some fans can't see all the facts or are weighed down by only one part of the outcome now a few years past the trade and after winning three Cups.

Most GM's do not make 100% good moves. Bowman has done both well and blown some transactions. Pokka was considered a good prospect at the time. Not just by Bowman, but where he rated for the Entry Draft. Bowman painted himself into a corner and Leddy was the price insifar as to retain the remainder if the roster. So, trade dud not work out but Bowman is not totally to blame. He had salary cap problems not all on him. He kept others here and the core still intact won two more Cups.

Understand all of that. Ramifications.

As for you knocking the state if the current roster, if you took a poll mist in thus board would agree we did not come out too bad nowadays after paying the price to win three Cups. No one else has won three Cups in six years for a couple decades, correct! Again Bowman could have donr better. But with late draft picks each round he gambled for skill and it turns out he got skill + soft player.

Meanwhile those who think Tallon was so great, he drafted round one Babchuck, a Russian foreward who is a bust, and Skille. Babchuk = upchuck and Skille name is an oxymoron. How much different would trades and salary cap look if just o ne of thise choices was descent.

You have to look at the entire picture and ramifications. Yes Bowman did not leave a great team after three Cups and Leddy loss was an error in judgment. Still, your expectation for this year is too high and your blame is not logicly sound. Opportunity cost to win and the price of diminshing returns my friend.
- jhawk59

He gets credit for "drafting" Saad (no mention of scouts or anything), yet "is not totally to blame" for the dumbpoop he does. I am trying to figure out "how much blame" versus "how much credit" this guy gets. My take is he's the GM, it's all on him, good or bad, lest people with agendas can hide behind their interpretation.

And I have no earthly idea what you're saying in the last part. What are my expectations? My blame isn't logically sound? Coming from an argument that erects a straw man argument (Tallon) and then explains away Bowman by saying "it's not all his fault" and not every GM makes every good move.

First of all, my expectations are tempered this year. I think the team can be good. I also LIKE what Bowman did coming into this year. I don't fault him for the Saad or Murphy trades. I like the prospects that have come up, I liked signing Wingels.

But his management is certainly partly to blame for having to give away TT, he gave away Danault. His managing of the Sharp and Leddy trades was terrible. Pokka was a very over-rated prospect at the time. EVEN IF HE was a good prospect, you don't bring in 28 year old journeyman AHLer as part of the Leddy deal. You get LEGITIMATE prospects. Not career AHL and a "decent" prospect. That's completely on Bowman just like idiotic deals mentioned already (TT, Danault), Scuderi, and Kimo. His handling of contracts (top salary + NTCs) has also hampered his ability to manage the team.

That all said, I have given Bowman credit where credit is due and he has done some good things, but I still believe the elite talent and depth covered up for a lot of his mistakes. Those mistakes became badly exposed as the talent level went down. Can he reverse that? Maybe so...he got younger and most cost controlled with Saad and Murphy, he landed Panik, who's no star but a vast improvement over Morin, he stole Forsling and signed Ruuta...so he has been making some solid moves of late, even if they are not immediately paying dividends in terms of Ws.

Shots on net? shots taken? We all know that each stadium has their own criteria for what a shot is.

This is a graph created by a 10 year old in order of his favorite teams.
- powerenforcer

It's based on Corsi for and Corsi against, so shot attempts, regardless of blocks or on target. SOG is only kept track of by the home staff. Not sure who tracks Corsi.

And that graph was created by Sean Tierney at Charting hockey, not just some guy.

Yea they were classic.
- kwolf68

The other teams GM was seen jumping for joy like in those Toyota car commercials

IIRC, Bowman traded Leddy a year before his ELC was up. My gripe is not trading him, I understand that decision and it worked out for 2015. However, giving NYI their #1 Dman for a KHL goalie and lead footed dman that has played a total of 0 NHL RS games is unacceptable. Danault, Leddy, + TT have gotten the Hawks literally nothing in NHL contribution and all 3 are playing Top Line roles on their current teams.


Here's hoping Debrincat/Forsling aren't the next young talents that are traded away for nothing.


Are there any legit Top 6 scorers (either C or W) that might be available for trade before the deadline?
- EnzoD

Why are you worried about trading these guys? I say trade them now while their value is high. They won't amount to much in the NHL so if Stan can turn them into a depth center who can win faceoffs then I say go for it.

Hey Justin, thanks for the work you do in bringing to us
everyday insight to our favorite hockey team.

Another good write up, again thanks

He would be the Hawks' #1 Dman today.
- EnzoD

disagree, and if he was we'd be in more trouble than we are at this point. Points are great, but we all know he's not a defensive specialist.

He gets credit for "drafting" Saad (no mention of scouts or anything), yet "is not totally to blame" for the dumbpoop he does. I am trying to figure out "how much blame" versus "how much credit" this guy gets. My take is he's the GM, it's all on him, good or bad, lest people with agendas can hide behind their interpretation.

And I have no earthly idea what you're saying in the last part. What are my expectations? My blame isn't logically sound? Coming from an argument that erects a straw man argument (Tallon) and then explains away Bowman by saying "it's not all his fault" and not every GM makes every good move.

First of all, my expectations are tempered this year. I think the team can be good. I also LIKE what Bowman did coming into this year. I don't fault him for the Saad or Murphy trades. I like the prospects that have come up, I liked signing Wingels.

But his management is certainly partly to blame for having to give away TT, he gave away Danault. His managing of the Sharp and Leddy trades was terrible. Pokka was a very over-rated prospect at the time. EVEN IF HE was a good prospect, you don't bring in 28 year old journeyman AHLer as part of the Leddy deal. You get LEGITIMATE prospects. Not career AHL and a "decent" prospect. That's completely on Bowman just like idiotic deals mentioned already (TT, Danault), Scuderi, and Kimo. His handling of contracts (top salary + NTCs) has also hampered his ability to manage the team.

That all said, I have given Bowman credit where credit is due and he has done some good things, but I still believe the elite talent and depth covered up for a lot of his mistakes. Those mistakes became badly exposed as the talent level went down. Can he reverse that? Maybe so...he got younger and most cost controlled with Saad and Murphy, he landed Panik, who's no star but a vast improvement over Morin, he stole Forsling and signed Ruuta...so he has been making some solid moves of late, even if they are not immediately paying dividends in terms of Ws.
- kwolf68

(not directed at you)

The reality is that Stan has made some good moves and bad moves, but show me a GM who hasn't done the same. Stan is the GM so he shoulders the credit and the blame for the moves the team makes. The only issue I have is that several people here tend to focus on Stan's poor moves and judge him by those standards. It's totally fair to judge Stan, but at least look at his full body of work rather than whiling that Leddy was dealt or $10.5 million is too much for Toews.

He would be the Hawks' #1 Dman today.
- EnzoD

Not with Q as coach

According to Q Crawford could return this week-end. I wonder if Florida will claim Berube when he's sent back down, apparently Luongo is out long-term.

Hey Justin, thanks for the work you do in bringing to us
everyday insight to our favorite hockey team.

Another good write up, again thanks
- gazza53

Thanks Gazza.

Shots on net? shots taken? We all know that each stadium has their own criteria for what a shot is.

This is a graph created by a 10 year old in order of his favorite teams.
- powerenforcer

To the untrained eye - shots into the chest of the opposing goalie...

According to Q Crawford could return this week-end. I wonder if Florida will claim Berube when he's sent back down, apparently Luongo is out long-term.
- DarthKane

Great thought Darth.

The Hawks would very much like to keep Berube, but FLA definitely needs some insurance. Berube wouldn't be the long term option as backup, but is cheap and could fill the gap for now.

....and you may be without that Cup in 2015. At the time Oduya over Leddy was the correct choice and it proved to be so in the playoffs. Long term, obviously, keeping Leddy or getting more for him would have been better.
- TheTrob

Yup. Long term we should have kept Phil Esposito and Ken Hodge too.

....and you may be without that Cup in 2015. At the time Oduya over Leddy was the correct choice and it proved to be so in the playoffs. Long term, obviously, keeping Leddy or getting more for him would have been better.
- TheTrob

You don't know what Leddy would have done or not done if given adequate ice time and a competent partner as he looked very solid with Boychuck that year.

disagree, and if he was we'd be in more trouble than we are at this point. Points are great, but we all know he's not a defensive specialist.
- BlazinMike

You should watch the NYI more often. Both the eye test and advanced stats show a high end player.

You don't know what Leddy would have done or not done if given adequate ice time and a competent partner as he looked very solid with Boychuck that year.
- fattybeef

But we DO know what Oduya did - helped them win a Cup.

(not directed at you)

The reality is that Stan has made some good moves and bad moves, but show me a GM who hasn't done the same. Stan is the GM so he shoulders the credit and the blame for the moves the team makes. The only issue I have is that several people here tend to focus on Stan's poor moves and judge him by those standards. It's totally fair to judge Stan, but at least look at his full body of work rather than whiling that Leddy was dealt or $10.5 million is too much for Toews.
- DarthKane

I agree Darth. And I think I personally have done that. Stan's worst moves were between late 2014 (Leddy deal) and his last crud move was the Bickell thing in 2016. During that time he also acquired Gus and Panik, got Vermette for a Cup run so there was some good mixed with bad.

SINCE the TT move, here are his trades and THIS is damn good work:

acquired two second round picks (#39 Alex DeBrincat & #45 Chad Krys) for forward Shaw. This is already a good move with potential to be a huge win.

Tomas Jurco from Detroit for a third round pick in the 2017 NHL Draft. Why not? Worth a gamble. No harm.

Johnny Oduya from Dallas for forward Mark McNeill and a conditional fourth round draft pick in the 2018 NHL Draft. Had to gamble to try to sure up D. Didn't work out, but still a good move.

Since then there have been a couple of "nothing" moves where teams just trade around AHL players, then you have the off season trades of Saad, Murphy, cap purges of Kruger and Darling which were either A) the cost of doing business or B) good long term moves.

He made a couple draft day moves to add prospects Tim Soderlund and Anderi Altybarmakyan. No idea if those guys turn out to be anything, but it was Stan adding extra pieces to a depleted farm, which is never a bad thing and he STILL got Henri Jokiharju, who early returns look very promising, though his ETA is probably still 2 years out.

I am willing to see if Stan can tighten the team up either through a retool or even a rebuild (whichever becomes necessary), because I do think he has gotten better. He hasn't gotten any homeruns lately, but he also hasn't struck out either, so it looks like he's playing things closer to the vest. That said, I do wish he'd go out and get a "change of scenery" type player, hes shown some skills on that front, getting guys like Oduya, Panik...even getting Leddy turned out to be grand larceny. LMAO at the Wild trading him (and Kim Johnsoonn) for Cam Barker...at the time I remember Johnsonn being the bigger get in the deal.