I don't know where it went from WJC is good indicator of how soon they can be making an impact in the NHL to the tournament is a factor in making an NHL roster 10 months later but I can't see that being a long discussion
- WhiteLie

It is a good indicator for draft eligible players from North America. Less and less draft eligible are making the teams anymore. This year only 2 players from USA that are first years.

I don't think Canada will have any.

More recent players, Matthews, Tkachuck, McAvoy, McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Werenski, Ekblad, Reinhart, Mackinoon, Drouin, Jones

Ok i'm finished. Either way if you have a draft eligible players from NA on the team. Looking at that list, you should be taking one of them high up in the draft.

Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks face Hurricanes, franchise valuation, World Juniors
The Vancouver Canucks will try to win two in a row at home for the first time this season as they host the Carolina Hurricanes on Tuesday at Rogers Arena, as World Junior rosters begin to be unveiled.
- Carol Schram

Thanks Carol !!!!!!!!!

I recall you making posts that JB puts too much value into WJC. You also have said he is overrated as a scout. So I just assumed you didn't agree with Benning's perspective. If that is wrong then disregard that part.
- Nuck4U

When was this? I've definitely said his scouting is overrated, especially at the pro level. The way he describes players he just acquired in trades compared to what the player really is doesn't add up. I think his amateur scouting is decent.

I feel better with Brackett running the draft though for sure.

https://www.russianmachin...-connolly-leaves-hanging/

i feel like this has happened to me on the bench more than once.

If we can't have a nuanced discussion then its let's just throw ludicrous satire around to shut things down. Marwood doesn't want a discussion or anything other then to twist this into a negative narrative. Why feed into that to the delight of the clique?

I digress because with Nucker I said will let it go as it is a point of perspective on what weight to give WJC. The essence of the point was that this tournament factors into decision making when looking at the a young players resume without AHLNHL experience. For prospects on good teams it is a marker on their development. Again what weight you want to give it as a measuring stick is a matter of perspective.

Not having rejected any of the points you/Nucker brought up I will move on and you can accept or reject whatever factor the WJC plays with prospects.
- Nuck4U

I was commenting on how the conversation has shifted. Your original statement about WJC being an indicator of prospects soon making an impact in the NHL, while I can understand someone saying that, I brought up my opinions as a counterpoint in the discussion. Further comments you made (including this post) suggested that the big stage experience was important in making a team, others rolled with it but the only comment I made about it was the one above.

As the saying goes, you're only as good as your last shift/game, I disagree entirely on the premise that a resume matters when determining making an NHL roster (WJC or draft status included). I do, however think a resume plays a factor in drafting a player. Once a player is drafted, its all about the work they put in and the consistency they put out over the course of a season to reach the potential they were drafted for; thats my 2 cents on it

Bite me.
I started a discussion by not agreeing that this WJHC is not necessarily a viable gauge to NHL readiness for the upcoming season.
So, disagreeing with you equals not wanting to have a discussion.
Keep playing the misunderstood victim.
- Marwood

Lol another pathetic attempt to poison the well here because I don't fall for your tricks. I am a victim lol yeah... poor me...lol...what an asinine narrative. I can respect an opinion whether agreeing or disagreeing with me has no bearing. But you know what you are doing and don't play the innocent card.

It is a good indicator for draft eligible players from North America. Less and less draft eligible are making the teams anymore. This year only 2 players from USA that are first years.

I don't think Canada will have any.

More recent players, Matthews, Tkachuck, McAvoy, McDavid, Eichel, Hanifin, Werenski, Ekblad, Reinhart, Mackinoon, Drouin, Jones

Ok i'm finished. Either way if you have a draft eligible players from NA on the team. Looking at that list, you should be taking one of them high up in the draft.
- manvanfan

Totally agree. I will again say that I take less stock in overall performances from 19 year olds scoring a point per game in the tournament, than a 16 year old who is held pointless. Its a much bigger deal to be 16 and playing than it is to be a former top 10 pick scoring a bunch of goals

Man why do you have to make everything an argument lol. I never said prospects were garunteed to play immediately after drafted or not garunteed based on draft position. Im just saying, just because they are skilled players playing in the WJC, doesnt mean poop to making their pro club the following season.
- Codes1087

You have trouble seeing both sides. I have taken upon myself you help you out. I'm a good guy like that.

Totally agree. I will again say that I take less stock in overall performances from 19 year olds scoring a point per game in the tournament, than a 16 year old who is held pointless. Its a much bigger deal to be 16 and playing than it is to be a former top 10 pick scoring a bunch of goals
- WhiteLie

A 19 year old means poop. See 5th round picks as 19 year olds make the team. LIKE WTF a 5th rounder.

Oh the NHL. Detroit loses 10-1 to Montreal the other day. The Winnipeg Jets are one of the best teams in the league. Little under half way through the second periods the Wings are up 2-0 and out playing the Jets. What a world we live in.

A 19 year old means poop. See 5th round picks as 19 year olds make the team. LIKE WTF a 5th rounder.
- manvanfan

He's saying that a 19 year old having a good tournament isn't as eye-opening as seeing a 16 year old make his team.

He's saying that a 19 year old having a good tournament isn't as eye-opening as seeing a 16 year old make his team.
- Nucker101

I know. The only players that matter are the draft eligible ones. The more there are the better the draft.

Going to be a lot of them from Europe.

I know. The only players that matter are the draft eligible ones. The more there are the better the draft.
- manvanfan

No doubt. I'd still say drafted players should be evaluated, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock into their performance compared to their seasonal league performance, especially stat-wise.

No doubt. I'd still say drafted players should be evaluated, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock into their performance compared to their seasonal league performance, especially stat-wise.
- Nucker101

Even as a 19 year old, you are gauging them VS the best of the other good 19 year olds. It's just less impressive unless you are dominating like McDavid vs a beer league team. I love beer.

What's wrong with NHL.com tonight? No scores.

You have trouble seeing both sides. I have taken upon myself you help you out. I'm a good guy like that.
- manvanfan

You have basically echoed exactly what nuck4u said, which isnt wrong, its just already been said. Marwood and i simply said its not a performance measure to gauge if a player is nhl ready, and named a few. We didnt argue that players have made it after a WJC, we are just simply trying to bring down expectation to some people. Again, i think you kind of like to argue for the sake of it. Moving on though..

You have basically echoed exactly what nuck4u said, which isnt wrong, its just already been said. Marwood and i simply said its not a performance measure to gauge if a player is nhl ready, and named a few. We didnt argue that players have made it after a WJC, we are just simply trying to bring down expectation to some people. Again, i think you kind of like to argue for the sake of it. Moving on though..
- Codes1087

I just don't think everything is always so cut and dry. As I think whitelie mentioned. 10 months in-between the tournament and the start of the next season.

You have to know by now, if you try to bring down the pom poms. They will be waved raised higher and higher.

I also think that if people don't agree with you, that they are just arguing with you.

No doubt. I'd still say drafted players should be evaluated, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock into their performance compared to their seasonal league performance, especially stat-wise.
- Nucker101

This.

I just don't think everything is always so cut and dry. As I think whitelie mentioned. 10 months in-between the tournament and the start of the next season.

You have to know by now, if you try to bring down the pom poms. They will be waved raised higher and higher.
- manvanfan

I will never, EVER, let pom pom wavers get too out of touch with reality. Dont have it in me lol.

Also. I responded before you editted. You and nuck4u are the only ones i actually feel i argue with. I can exit a conversation with anyone here without any feeling of arguement.

I heard Elias Petersson got hurt....knee...true?

I heard Elias Petersson got hurt....knee...true?
- canucksfan1944

The next Rodin.

I heard Elias Petersson got hurt....knee...true?
- canucksfan1944

Day to day only

No doubt. I'd still say drafted players should be evaluated, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock into their performance compared to their seasonal league performance, especially stat-wise.
- Nucker101

^

Man Barzal looks good.

https://twitter.com/Isles...status/938223769277038592