I'm happy and sad for him.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He said don't feel sad

You bring up factors that build a players performance to make the cut for consideration. When you narrow it down to the good performers that is when a players resume factors into the decision which is made by the team as a collective not the HC alone.

I know you down play the WJC because scouts like JB value it as a high measuring stick. But wherever you fall on how much weight to give it that tournament forms part of the picture along with league performance.

I'll leave it at that because the valuation debate is a see saw on perspective like many others from eye test to stats.
- Nuck4U

Link.

You bring up factors that build a players performance to make the cut for consideration. When you narrow it down to the good performers that is when a players resume factors into the decision which is made by the team as a collective not the HC alone.

I know you down play the WJC because scouts like JB value it as a high measuring stick. But wherever you fall on how much weight to give it that tournament forms part of the picture along with league performance. I'll leave it at that because the valuation debate is a see saw on perspective like many others from eye test to stats.
- Nuck4U

I think JB values it high for draft eligible players, not so much on drafted players. When they traded for Dahlen they all cited his D+1 season stats, not his WJC performance, I think that is the difference between Nucker/my opinions vs yours on the tournament. To us, it matters less the older a player gets

Link.
- Marwood

I am pretty sure when JB drafted Juolevi he mentioned how dominant he was at that tournament as a 17 year old. I think thats what he is referring to...

I think JB values it high for draft eligible players, not so much on drafted players. When they traded for Dahlen, they all cited his D+1 season stats, not his WJC performance, I think that is the difference between Nucker/my opinions vs yours on the tournament. To us, it matters less the older a player gets
- WhiteLie

Don't give up so easily, we can push this to 10 + pages, no problem.

The WJC is not a factor when determining NHL rosters the following season.

I am pretty sure when JB drafted Juolevi he mentioned how dominant he was at that tournament as a 17 year old. I think thats what he is referring to...
- WhiteLie

But that didn't help OJ make the team this camp.

Link.
- Marwood

Don't really know how to respond to that claim/post. He's basically suggesting that I'm trying to devalue anything that Benning put stock into.


I guess tomorrow I'll argue how slower and less skilled players are more effective than faster ones just to be anti-benning.

I am pretty sure when JB drafted Juolevi he mentioned how dominant he was at that tournament as a 17 year old. I think thats what he is referring to...
- WhiteLie

That only proves that Benning is an idiot.

I am pretty sure when JB drafted Juolevi he mentioned how dominant he was at that tournament as a 17 year old. I think thats what he is referring to...
- WhiteLie

That doesn't exactly help his cause when we look at his original point of the WJHC being crucial

Don't really know how to respond to that claim/post. He's basically suggesting that I'm trying to devalue anything that Benning put stock into.


I guess tomorrow I'll argue.
- Nucker101

Fixed.

Fixed.
- Marwood

Fixed.
- Marwood

He said don't feel sad
- VANTEL

Don't tell me how to use my feelings.

Don't give up so easily, we can push this to 10 + pages, no problem.

The WJC is not a factor when determining NHL rosters the following season.
- Marwood

I dont know where it went from WJC is good indicator of how soon they can be making an impact in the NHL to the tournament is a factor in making an NHL roster 10 months later but I cant see that being a long discussion

That doesn't exactly help his cause when we look at his original point of the WJHC being crucial
- Nucker101

I didnt say it did

The older a player gets, the less important the WJC is on his NHL projection IMO. Plenty of 19 year olds make these teams, the really gifted future stars make the tournament at 16-17. Juolevi gains nothing by returning for a 3rd time

I dont know where it went from WJC is good indicator of how soon they can be making an impact in the NHL to the tournament is a factor in making an NHL roster 10 months later but I cant see that being a long discussion
- WhiteLie

I'll let the night crew chew on it for a while.
It's cocktail time @ 5:00.

I think JB values it high for draft eligible players, not so much on drafted players. When they traded for Dahlen they all cited his D+1 season stats, not his WJC performance, I think that is the difference between Nucker/my opinions vs yours on the tournament. To us, it matters less the older a player gets
- WhiteLie

Here's a link to Canuck drafted players and how JB valued their performance at WJC. Read toward bottom when they talk about JV. There is also mention of Forsling too.

https://thecanuckway.com/...nings-eyes-world-juniors/

More of his thinking is by radio interviews on this so just wait for the quotes after this tournament. Again it's all a measuring stick factor not the deciding one.

I didnt say it did

The older a player gets, the less important the WJC is on his NHL projection IMO. Plenty of 19 year olds make these teams, the really gifted future stars make the tournament at 16-17. Juolevi gains nothing by returning for a 3rd time
- WhiteLie

Yup, a 19 year old 5th overall pick should actually be expected to play very well in this tournament.

Yup, a 19 year old 5th overall pick should actually be expected to play very well in this tournament.
- Nucker101

And then there's Virtanen.

Had the wife in the same position today but laying down and me on top.
- manvanfan

Good job

I dont know where it went from WJC is good indicator of how soon they can be making an impact in the NHL to the tournament is a factor in making an NHL roster 10 months later but I cant see that being a long discussion
- WhiteLie

If we can't have a nuanced discussion then its let's just throw ludicrous satire around to shut things down. Marwood doesn't want a discussion or anything other then to twist this into a negative narrative. Why feed into that to the delight of the clique?

I digress because with Nucker I said will let it go as it is a point of perspective on what weight to give WJC. The essence of the point was that this tournament factors into decision making when looking at a young player's resume without AHL/NHL experience. For prospects on good teams it is a marker on their development. Again what weight you want to give it as a measuring stick is a matter of perspective.

Not having rejected any of the points you/Nucker brought up I will move on and you can accept or reject whatever factor the WJC plays with prospects.

So if you are drafted 1st or 2nd overall it's doesn't count? Matthews, Laine, Hischier.

What about Noah Hanifin? Matthew Tkachuk? David Pastrnak?

I think the list goes on and on both ways.
- manvanfan

Man why do you have to make everything an argument lol. I never said prospects were garunteed to play immediately after drafted or not garunteed based on draft position. Im just saying, just because they are skilled players playing in the WJC, doesnt mean poop to making their pro club the following season.

If we can't have a nuanced discussion then its let's just throw ludicrous satire around to shut things down. Marwood doesn't want a discussion or anything other then to twist this into a negative narrative. Why feed into that to the delight of the clique?

I digress because with Nucker I said will let it go as it is a point of perspective on what weight to give it. The essence of the point was that this tournament weighs into decision making when looking at the a young players resume without AHLNHL experience. For prospects on good teams it is a marker on their development. Again what weight you want to give it as a measuring stick is a matter of perspective.

Not having rejected any of the points you/Nucker brought up I will move on and you can accept or reject whatever factor the WJC plays with prospects.
- Nuck4U

Bite me.
I started a discussion by not agreeing that this WJHC is not necessarily a viable gauge to NHL readiness for the upcoming season.
So, disagreeing with you equals not wanting to have a discussion.
Keep playing the misunderstood victim.

Don't really know how to respond to that claim/post. He's basically suggesting that I'm trying to devalue anything that Benning put stock into.


I guess tomorrow I'll argue how slower and less skilled players are more effective than faster ones just to be anti-benning.
- Nucker101

I recall you making posts that JB puts too much value into WJC. You also have said he is overrated as a scout. So I just assumed you didn't agree with Benning's perspective. If that is wrong then disregard that part.

Bite me.
I started a discussion by not agreeing that this WJHC is not necessarily a viable gauge to NHL readiness for the upcoming season.
So, disagreeing with you equals not wanting to have a discussion.
Keep playing the misunderstood victim.
- Marwood

Could not agree more. WJC and the NHL are two very very different levels of competition