A pothead that makes the worlds best "tear pie"
- CanuckDon

I forgot about the tear pies.

It's a great way to see similarly aged/talented players play with/against each other, especially when comparing players playing in different leagues/countries. But the small sample size, large ice surface(sometimes), quick adjustments to a new team/linemates/system, etc needs to be factored in as well.

I also think point production gets overrated in short tournaments. EP for example didn't have a great stat line, but he played better than what his stat line showed.


You obviously want your team's prospects to play well, but I'd rather have a prospect have a great year with his junior/college/euro league team and a meh WJHC than vice-versa. Ideally they excel in both, but I'm way less worried about a mediocre WJHC tourney than a mediocre D+1 or D+2 season.
- Nucker101

Yeah development is a long term measure. But when they are making decisions on kids in camp to keep over a vet they look at the resume where scouts factor in how they did in such pressure circumstances.

Roster announcements are still preliminary, but to me a WJC roster spot is negligible to the prospects future. Its like Yzerman selecting the men's Olympic roster, it wasnt an assembly of the best players but a roster they thought they could win with.

For the premise of making the NHL, I dont think the prospects being considered for the tournament have had a substantial increase in their future potential from the draft to today. Some might see it different, but I think their chances remain fairly steady in the past 6 months
- WhiteLie

Solid post Whitey, good to see you back posting.

A pothead that makes the worlds best "tear pie"
- CanuckDon

tear pie, forgot about that

I forgot about the tear pies.
- Marwood

A true hockeybuzz classic

I forgot about the tear pies.
- Marwood

Yeah development is a long term measure. But when they are making decisions on kids in camp to keep over a vet they look at the resume where scouts factor in how they did in such pressure circumstances.
- Nuck4U

Their own team/leagues play in big games too though. The WJHC is really just a small part of the big picture.

I totally agree, but hockey loves its "roles". They pass over highly skilled players for guys capable of "checking" or existing chemistry every Olympics. Brenden Morrow and Kunitz are a couple Olympians that I can recall getting selected over better talents for the sake of a winning roster
- WhiteLie

You might be overplaying that factor as they usually choose BPA and coaches assign roles within system they want to play. Like someone who is a leading offensive player for his team gets a checking assignment on WJC team.

Yeah development is a long term measure. But when they are making decisions on kids in camp to keep over a vet they look at the resume where scouts factor in how they did in such pressure circumstances.
- Nuck4U

Their own team/leagues play in big games too though. The WJHC is really just a small part of the big picture.
- Nucker101

A very small part.

Their own team/leagues play in big games too though. The WJHC is really just a small part of the big picture.
- Nucker101

True it all factors in but wouldn't call the world stage small.

A very small part.
- Marwood

What?? 9 games played 10 months ago are very important in training camp.

True it all factors in but wouldn't call the world stage small.
- Nuck4U

Just because TSN hypes the living sh*t out of it does not mean it is a world event.

What?? 9 games played 10 months ago are very important in training camp.
- A_SteamingLombardi

For scouts buffing resumes, I guess.

Solid post Whitey, good to see you back posting.
- Makita

Stecher shoots, its in. It went in, OMG no on in the arena can believe it went in.

Just because TSN hypes the living sh*t out of it does not mean it is a world event.
- Marwood

You mean every american sports network isn't hyping the living sh!t out of the world juniors. Wonder how many world sport networks hype this event.

What?? 9 games played 10 months ago are very important in training camp.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Why look at player's resume when the magic eight ball of practice time tells all...

You might be overplaying that factor as they usually choose BPA and coaches assign roles within system they want to play. Like someone who is a leading offensive player for his team gets a checking assignment on WJC team.
- Nuck4U

I dunno, from 2014 alone I can think of Hall, Giroux as better choices over Kunitz and Sharp, but chemistry with Crosby/Toews in a short tournament was meant to give them an advantage.

In my opinion this type of thinking benefits Lockwood's chances of making the Americans, he certainly has skill but would likely be looked upon to fill a bottom 6/penalty kill role. Some call it politics, some call it strategy, but we all know sometimes the best players dont get picked for these kinds of teams.. its just the way hockey is

True it all factors in but wouldn't call the world stage small.
- Nuck4U

The stage is big, but the sample size is extremely small.

Solid post Whitey, good to see you back posting.
- Makita

Sometimes this place sucks you back in

Why look at player's resume when the magic eight ball of practice time tells all...
- Nuck4U

An entire off-season of training, preparation and physical/mental maturity makes a huge difference. I highly doubt Green will be bringing up the WJHC next year in discussions with his coaching staff when deciding if EP/OJ should make the team.

An entire off-season of training, preparation and physical/mental maturity makes a huge difference. I highly doubt Green will be bringing up the WJHC next year in discussions with his coaching staff when deciding if EP/OJ should make the team.
- Nucker101

I think the only consideration is how many games they have played and miles traveled in the past year. The WJC play a part in that, but it only matters in determining if they needed more rest or how well they can handle the marathon of a season

An entire off-season of training, preparation and physical/mental maturity makes a huge difference. I highly doubt Green will be bringing up the WJHC next year in discussions with his coaching staff when deciding if EP/OJ should make the team.
- Nucker101

Well then he's not the coach we think he is.

An entire off-season of training, preparation and physical/mental maturity makes a huge difference. I highly doubt Green will be bringing up the WJHC next year in discussions with his coaching staff when deciding if EP/OJ should make the team.
- Nucker101

Agreed when Jr is not playing with or against men. Night & day.

An entire off-season of training, preparation and physical/mental maturity makes a huge difference. I highly doubt Green will be bringing up the WJHC next year in discussions with his coaching staff when deciding if EP/OJ should make the team.
- Nucker101

You bring up factors that build a players performance to make the cut for consideration. When you narrow it down to the good performers that is when a players resume factors into the decision which is made by the team as a collective not the HC alone.

I know you down play the WJC because scouts like JB value it as a high measuring stick. But wherever you fall on how much weight to give it that tournament forms part of the picture along with league performance.

I'll leave it at that because the valuation debate is a see saw on perspective like many others from eye test to stats.