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- BiggE

I think this is my biggest gripe with fans this year. We were told a slow long build. Three years isn't a slow long build. This fan base is Ed Gruberman....They need a boot to the head.
- dragonoffrost

My issue is we were told we would get progressively better over a long stretch and that we hired a coach that is going to be excellent with developing the kids. We have made several mistakes. Last year we should of had a kid in the lineup at the end of the year instead of being determined to fight for the playoffs. That way this year we would have had guys with more experience instead of having an issue where we are too young to function apparently. Things like that are what make people sour on this rebuild.

I can get him to come over and watch a game with combo of good scotch and a chance to hang with my pooch. Getting him to come on Buzz though is a tougher nut to crack.
- BiggE

Why wouldn't he want to come on here? We are all so positive, never fight,....





Yeah, I can't sell it......

I have to admit I only caught snatches of the game last night but I felt like we still looked like a hot mess. Elliott played well, the refs loved us (bizarro world), and we had a couple lucky bounces. I'm glad we won. Really, really glad we won, but they have a LOT of work to do to get back to playing well...
- FlyersGrace

Yep.

And I'll also add that I think Provorov is getting tired. The last handful of games he's made multiple dumb mistakes. The kind of mistakes one makes when they're tired. The attempted blue line pass that turned into a breakaway last night comes to mind.

Why wouldn't he want to come on here? We are all so positive, never fight,....





Yeah, I can't sell it......
- hockeylover

I am working with a publisher to get all of my greatest posts from the year printed. Soon there won't be a need to come on here.

My content will always be free on pizzabuzz

My issue is we were told we would get progressively better over a long stretch and that we hired a coach that is going to be excellent with developing the kids. We have made several mistakes. Last year we should of had a kid in the lineup at the end of the year instead of being determined to fight for the playoffs. That way this year we would have had guys with more experience instead of having an issue where we are too young to function apparently. Things like that are what make people sour on this rebuild.
- Tfaehner

You mean kids like Provorov and Konecny? Weal at the end of the year? Gostisbehere which was only year 2 for him.

My issue is we were told we would get progressively better over a long stretch and that we hired a coach that is going to be excellent with developing the kids. We have made several mistakes. Last year we should of had a kid in the lineup at the end of the year instead of being determined to fight for the playoffs. That way this year we would have had guys with more experience instead of having an issue where we are too young to function apparently. Things like that are what make people sour on this rebuild.
- Tfaehner

And to me this is the year before we needed a big step. Where we showed this process was working. If we need another top prospect so be it go get the extra top 5 pick. But next year I don't want to see it again. I don't want to see us trading off core vets for more 5 year away draft picks. Hockey trades need to happen and we need to progress

My issue is we were told we would get progressively better over a long stretch and that we hired a coach that is going to be excellent with developing the kids. We have made several mistakes. Last year we should of had a kid in the lineup at the end of the year instead of being determined to fight for the playoffs. That way this year we would have had guys with more experience instead of having an issue where we are too young to function apparently. Things like that are what make people sour on this rebuild.
- Tfaehner

The worst thing that happened was this team made the playoffs in year one with the mess Homer left Hextall. That makes years 2 and 3 look like a slide. If they just miss year 1 and year two then this happens this year the optics are much different. We knew at some time during this process there would be pain. It just happened a little later than the less patient fans were ready for.

You mean kids like Provorov and Konecny? Weal at the end of the year? Gostisbehere which was only year 2 for him.
- J35Bacher

So we had 4 kids in the lineup and now we have what 11 and were scared to play half of them ? Provorov can't be considered in that group either. It's like saying mcdavid should be. But I was referring to specifically the d.

I make that same mistake when I cook.

Mostly because I drink when I cook.
- johndewar

Doesn't everyone?

The worst thing that happened was this team made the playoffs in year one with the mess Homer left Hextall. That makes years 2 and 3 look like a slide. If they just miss year 1 and year two then this happens this year the optics are much different. We knew at some time during this process there would be pain. It just happened a little later than the less patient fans were ready for.
- dragonoffrost

Making the playoffs was exciting but for me I knew it didn't mean real contention. I saw 3-5 years for that. Fast forward 2 more years and players have regressed and youth as a whole hasn't progressed. Like I said next year is the year I was expecting to see a step forward. I don't see it atm without major changes or unforeseen huge progress in the kids. I don't think hasktol is going to being the latter.

And at least all that time Couturier was good defensively. I've not seen anything impressive from Patrick yet.
- Scoob

yeah I am sure #14 was killing it defensively in his first 18 games.

Making the playoffs was exciting but for me I knew it didn't mean real contention. I saw 3-5 years for that. Fast forward 2 more years and players have regressed and youth as a whole hasn't progressed. Like I said next year is the year I was expecting to see a step forward. I don't see it atm without major changes or unforeseen huge progress in the kids. I don't think hasktol is going to being the latter.
- Tfaehner

Year 1 was also the last year we had our season tickets. We saw what was ahead and knew it wouldn't be pretty for a few years. With the way the flyers under cut season ticket holder pricing we figured we would revisit in a few years.

I'm not the typical wip fan that just complains but I don't know how anyone could not be upset with the way this thing is going. And the way our guys are being handled.

Making the playoffs was exciting but for me I knew it didn't mean real contention. I saw 3-5 years for that. Fast forward 2 more years and players have regressed and youth as a whole hasn't progressed. Like I said next year is the year I was expecting to see a step forward. I don't see it atm without major changes or unforeseen huge progress in the kids. I don't think hasktol is going to being the latter.
- Tfaehner

Giroux and Voracek have bounced back.

Couturier has shown an offensive game.

Provorov continues to get better.

Hagg is showing to be a solid defender.

Gostisbehere has been better then last year.

Laughton has looked good in his role.

Yes i expected more from Konecny and Weal.

The team hit a bad 10 game losing streak. If not for that, I think this team is still in the thick of things. It also takes some luck for everything to work out. not everything is going to work at the exact right time you want it to.

yeah I am sure #14 was killing it defensively in his first 18 games.
- rinaldo

So Patrick is not defensive enough so far but lindblom is too defensive for the nhl. Got it.

“Through this stretch, the hidden thing is we’ve played a lot of really good hockey,” Hakstol before the game.

Between Hak and Hextall, there is quite an interesting little PR game they have going here.

It's a bold strategy cotton, let's see if it pays off for them.

Making the playoffs was exciting but for me I knew it didn't mean real contention. I saw 3-5 years for that. Fast forward 2 more years and players have regressed and youth as a whole hasn't progressed. Like I said next year is the year I was expecting to see a step forward. I don't see it atm without major changes or unforeseen huge progress in the kids. I don't think hasktol is going to being the latter.
- Tfaehner

The jump possibility is there. Hagg and Sanheim will have had a year in the NHL and they both look much better all around than Ghost right now. Ghost on a good team is #5 with PP1 time. If this team can roll. Provy-AMac, Hagg-Sanheim, Ghost-Morin next year I think they'll be improved on the back end.

Patrick in year 2, TK if he figures out what the coach wants should be better. Hopefully Lehtera and Filppula are gone.

The possible for the jump is there then the next year you add Hart in net. It's not a reach to see year 5 be the year this team contends.

The jump possibility is there. Hagg and Sanheim will have had a year in the NHL and they both look much better all around than Ghost right now. Ghost on a good team is #5 with PP1 time. If this team can roll. Provy-AMac, Hagg-Sanheim, Ghost-Morin next year I think they'll be improved on the back end.

Patrick in year 2, TK if he figures out what the coach wants should be better. Hopefully Lehtera and Filppula are gone.

The possible for the jump is there then the next year you add Hart in net. It's not a reach to see year 5 be the year this team contends.
- dragonoffrost

I have always thought the 2018-19 year was when you would see the step forward to the playoffs and then 19-20 the year you see consistent playoff pushes.

The drafting and developing approach takes time. Plus they did have some contracts to rid themselves of and just some general organizational changes they needed to make.

I have always thought the 2018-19 year was when you would see the step forward to the playoffs and then 19-20 the year you see consistent playoff pushes.

The drafting and developing approach takes time. Plus they did have some contracts to rid themselves of and just some general organizational changes they needed to make.
- J35Bacher

I think we agree that things aren't all doom and gloom that many seem to be viewing.

The jump possibility is there. Hagg and Sanheim will have had a year in the NHL and they both look much better all around than Ghost right now. Ghost on a good team is #5 with PP1 time. If this team can roll. Provy-AMac, Hagg-Sanheim, Ghost-Morin next year I think they'll be improved on the back end.

Patrick in year 2, TK if he figures out what the coach wants should be better. Hopefully Lehtera and Filppula are gone.

The possible for the jump is there then the next year you add Hart in net. It's not a reach to see year 5 be the year this team contends.
- dragonoffrost

This team will make a jump as soon as Lappy and Hak are gone.

I have no interest in rushing Hart. He's probably the best goalie prospect there has been in 10+ years in all of hockey. Goalies are weird though, I'd take my time with him.

And in a ten game losing streak that will happen as a coach will lean on his vets.
- J35Bacher

So as the team starts losing by leaning on the vets, the best course of action is to lean more heavily on the vets?

The jump possibility is there. Hagg and Sanheim will have had a year in the NHL and they both look much better all around than Ghost right now. Ghost on a good team is #5 with PP1 time. If this team can roll. Provy-AMac, Hagg-Sanheim, Ghost-Morin next year I think they'll be improved on the back end.

Patrick in year 2, TK if he figures out what the coach wants should be better. Hopefully Lehtera and Filppula are gone.

The possible for the jump is there then the next year you add Hart in net. It's not a reach to see year 5 be the year this team contends.
- dragonoffrost

I don't see hasktol starting a kid over gudas. I think gudas amac start as pillars next year and people get worked in from there. I think Morin sanheim and maybe even gost will take turns in the cote suite.

I love hart but people forget sandstrom might have a faster track to the nhl. Either way hope 1 or both succeed.

And our likely top 10 pick this year has a nhl chance.

So Patrick is not defensive enough so far but lindblom is too defensive for the nhl. Got it.
- Tfaehner

where in Gods name are you drawing that conclusion from the conversation I was having with the other guy? Please elaborate

Lets look at the kids one by one and see how they are doing. I'm lumping Weal into this group, though he's not really a kid, it's only his first full NHL season:

FORWARDS
Patrick:
Coming off surgery this past Spring, I was counting on too much from him from the start. Add to that an early season concussion and it's hard to expect too much from him right now. For the most part, he seems to play a pretty responsible game, but right now, like most of his teammates, he's clearly pressing. He has a rep as being a very smart player and his past coaches have all remarked about how easy he is to coach. I think Hak needs to give this kid a longer leash, he seems to be the kind of player who learns from his mistakes.

Konecny:
It is a little troubling that he seems to make the same mistakes again and again, the mystery is why. Is he just not the smartest kid? Or, are the coaches failing to reach him? Without actually being with the team in meetings and practices, it's hard to answer that question. However, one thing I would like to see is for the coaching staff to just leave him either at LW or RW and on the same line for an extended period of time and just let him get comfortable. He also needs to play with at least one other skilled and speedy linemate to maximize his potential

Weal:
Weal is an older guy but with limited NHL experience. He's undersized and doesn't have the blazing speed or world class to compensate for it. He may just not be a guy who is going to have long term success as an NHL player, but the only way to find out is to play him consistently in a top 9 role. On a team with no chance to contend, this is the time to give him that shot.

Laughton:
Laughton has settled in nicely as a 4C/PK guy. I think if they had more depth and skill on the wings, he might be able to slide up and be a solid 3C. Can't fault the coaches at all for how they've used him so far this season

Leier:
Kid's got good wheels, but limited skills and is undersized. Could be a decent 4th line/PK guy though, but he needs to stay in the lineup to show it. I can understand sitting him for a game now and then, but keeping him out of the lineup for 3 games in a row is just pointless and a bad coaching move, IMO

Up next, the young D

where in Gods name are you drawing that conclusion from the conversation I was having with the other guy? Please elaborate
- rinaldo

I was adding to your point against what he was saying. Not saying that's what you were alluding to. Probably quoted the wrong person.