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Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Dec 4 @ 11:57 AM ET
So what is the US Dollar of bitcoin?
- dragonoffrost
Exactly the same as if you land on Free Parking in Monopoly
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Dec 4 @ 12:00 PM ET
As a valet? Personal chef? Cotton Candy vendor?
- FlyersGrace
That sir is offensive to all Valets, Chefs and MMMMMM Cotton Candy vendors
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:04 PM ET
Agree, and he seems like he's one of the more creative forwards the Flyers have.
- Ftown19125



Creative is not the adjective I would use. Konecny to his credit plays with a lot of effort and desire and he makes a lot of individual plays. They aren't the kind of plays that will lead to long term success against the structured checking of the NHL.
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Dec 4 @ 12:05 PM ET
Well Hak, you've got nothing to lose at this point. Time to go radical and shake things up:

TK-Coots-Voracek
Giroux-Patrick-Raffl
Weal-Laughton-Simmonds
Leier-Filppula-one of the useless stiffs

- BiggE

Could help in different ways:

TK plays with better linemates breaks out
Patrick and G find chemistry
Weal's speed + Laughton's puck hawking with Train scrapping for pieces nice
Fourth line well just break even would be nice or plus 1 better

Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Dec 4 @ 12:08 PM ET
Creative is not the adjective I would use. Konecny to his credit plays with a lot of effort and desire and he makes a lot of individual plays. They aren't the kind of plays that will lead to long term success against the structured checking of the NHL.
- MJL
That job to teach/mentor/instruct/help the kid progress and build on what tools he has would be on the coach, right?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:08 PM ET
I've seen a couple people lobby for Knobloch.

What does he bring that Hak doesn't? Lot of similarities on the surface, mainly a young guy who wins in non-pro leagues. It's another largely unproven choice, so why is he "up and coming"?

Serious question. Don't know much about him

- Giroux_Is_God


I'd promote him on an interim basis and see how he does.

It's basically the unknown versus the known failure.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:11 PM ET
Konecny doesn't need to go to the AHL. He needs more time playing with a playmaker that can both draw checking and create openings and distribute the puck with the right timing in the right areas. That will go a long way towards accelerating Konecny's development.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:14 PM ET
That job to teach/mentor/instruct/help the kid progress and build on what tools he has would be on the coach, right?
- Konalover



Of course it is. There are many ways a coach goes about that with a young player. One tool is limiting ice time. Blasphemy!
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 4 @ 12:14 PM ET
Konecny doesn't need to go to the AHL. He needs more time playing with a playmaker that can both draw checking and create openings and distribute the puck with the right timing in the right areas. That will go a long way towards accelerating Konecny's development.
- MJL



I would probably roll something like this:

Giroux - Couturier - Konecny
Simmonds - Patrick - Voracek
Weal - Filppula - Raffl
Leier - Laughton - Weise/Lehtera
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Dec 4 @ 12:20 PM ET
I would probably roll something like this:

Giroux - Couturier - Konecny
Simmonds - Patrick - Voracek
Weal - Filppula - Raffl
Leier - Laughton - Weise/Lehtera

- J35Bacher


I’d give this a try. I like the top 6.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 4 @ 12:29 PM ET
I’d give this a try. I like the top 6.
- arichardson22



I wonder how long until Hextall really starts thinking about possibly moving Simmonds or others. Do you wait for the trade deadline? I think with Simmonds interest will be there no matter when or if you make him available.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:29 PM ET
I would probably roll something like this:

Giroux - Couturier - Konecny
Simmonds - Patrick - Voracek
Weal - Filppula - Raffl
Leier - Laughton - Weise/Lehtera

- J35Bacher



Worth a try although would probably have to swap sides with Voracek and Simmonds.
SimmerDown17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: It aint my fault, SimmerDown aint my alt, CA
Joined: 06.26.2014

Dec 4 @ 12:41 PM ET
I wonder how long until Hextall really starts thinking about possibly moving Simmonds or others. Do you wait for the trade deadline? I think with Simmonds interest will be there no matter when or if you make him available.
- J35Bacher


I don't see Simmonds being moved right now unless it's an offer Hextall couldn't refuse. Hextall still thinks this a playoff team (delusional) and will make trades that help in the future but won't hurt the present team. I don't think they're a playoff team as they've been shut out 23% of the games this season.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Dec 4 @ 12:51 PM ET
Only 8 points out of a wildcard spot!
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Dec 4 @ 12:52 PM ET
I don't see Simmonds being moved right now unless it's an offer Hextall couldn't refuse. Hextall still thinks this a playoff team (delusional) and will make trades that help in the future but won't hurt the present team. I don't think they're a playoff team as they've been shut out 23% of the games this season.
- SimmerDown17


Shutout 23% of the time..that is utterly ridiculous.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 4 @ 12:57 PM ET
Only 8 points out of a wildcard spot!
- Streit2ThePoint



With all our division games still to be played. What could possibly go wrong?
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 4 @ 12:58 PM ET
I don't see Simmonds being moved right now unless it's an offer Hextall couldn't refuse. Hextall still thinks this a playoff team (delusional) and will make trades that help in the future but won't hurt the present team. I don't think they're a playoff team as they've been shut out 23% of the games this season.
- SimmerDown17



Friedman and others have said Simmonds is far and away the flyers most valuable trade piece excluding the obvious people who wouldn't be traded for the world (provorov). I think you see what you could get for him but you don't make a deal unless it's a wow. More than schenn a lot more.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 1:01 PM ET
Friedman and others have said Simmonds is far and away the flyers most valuable trade piece excluding the obvious people who wouldn't be traded for the world (provorov). I think you see what you could get for him but you don't make a deal unless it's a wow. More than schenn a lot more.
- Tfaehner

4 first round picks????
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Dec 4 @ 1:04 PM ET
to trade a piece like Simmonds the Flyers need to be playing better, you cant trade Simmonds and you for sure cant trade when the value is low due to the team being in Chaos.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 4 @ 1:05 PM ET
Konecny doesn't need to go to the AHL. He needs more time playing with a playmaker that can both draw checking and create openings and distribute the puck with the right timing in the right areas. That will go a long way towards accelerating Konecny's development.
- MJL


Patrick may not be Giroux or Voracek but he has playmaking skills.
SimmerDown17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: It aint my fault, SimmerDown aint my alt, CA
Joined: 06.26.2014

Dec 4 @ 1:09 PM ET
to trade a piece like Simmonds the Flyers need to be playing better, you cant trade Simmonds and you for sure cant trade when the value is low due to the team being in Chaos.
- wcorvette


I don't think Simmonds value has gone down at all...he would be welcome on any hockey club.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 4 @ 1:16 PM ET
to trade a piece like Simmonds the Flyers need to be playing better, you cant trade Simmonds and you for sure cant trade when the value is low due to the team being in Chaos.
- wcorvette


The state of the team wouldnt have any effect on the value of Simmonds. Simmonds would command interest from many teams, and that would drive a bidding war. All the Flyers would have to do is say he is available.

I would think the Flyers should be asking for a 2018 1st, 2019 1st, and a young top 9 forward, and a prospect forward.

I think they should settle on a 2018 1st, 2018 2nd, and a prospect forward with top 6 potential. Plus a conditional 2019 1st if they make the cup finals.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 1:17 PM ET
Patrick may not be Giroux or Voracek but he has playmaking skills.
- youarewrong



Raw skills yes, but he is not ready to be the playmaker that is needed right now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 1:18 PM ET
The state of the team wouldnt have any effect on the value of Simmonds. Simmonds would command interest from many teams, and that would drive a bidding war. All the Flyers would have to do is say he is available.

I would think the Flyers should be asking for a 2018 1st, 2019 1st, and a young top 9 forward, and a prospect forward.

I think they should settle on a 2018 1st, 2018 2nd, and a prospect forward with top 6 potential. Plus a conditional 2019 1st if they make the cup finals.

- youarewrong


I would need at least 1 NHL ready young forward back in any trade of Simmonds.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 1:21 PM ET
Raw skills yes, but he is not ready to be the playmaker that is needed right now.
- MJL

Yet for some reason he should be the 2nd line center
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