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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 4 @ 10:06 AM ET
Dave Hakstol's Philadelphia Flyers


I don't think that will be written too many more times.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 4 @ 10:09 AM ET


Hexy fires hasktol and names himself interim coach so he can better evaluate both players and coaches up close. He turns around the team and we squeak into the 8 seed.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Dec 4 @ 10:12 AM ET
Hexy fires hasktol and names himself interim coach so he can better evaluate both players and coaches up close. He turns around the team and we squeak into the 8 seed.
- Tfaehner

not bad
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 10:13 AM ET
I can honestly sat that game Sat was brutal to watch on TV and probably even moreso in person.

This current flavor of the Flyers is probably the softest I have ever seen as a fan. Part of that is the league, Provy getting 2 mins for a hit that was borderline at very best, and some of that is the makeup of the team, Simmonds being the only consistently physical player.

IM not asking for Zak Rinaldo levels of Mayhem but this team has to feel like you are playing a bunch of cotton balls for the opponents. I mean Morin could maybe bring some snarl but look he is hurt again and not even on the big team.

Its just brutal, boring, oatmealish hockey.;l

- opeth_pa


In other words did they play with effort? Sure but did they play with the urgency that a team that has lost 9 in a row should have? I'd say no.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Dec 4 @ 10:17 AM ET
Hexy fires hasktol and names himself interim coach so he can better evaluate both players and coaches up close. He turns around the team and we squeak into the 8 seed.
- Tfaehner


This would be cool.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 10:18 AM ET
I wouldn't personally but I could see the flyers inquiring. I think if you're looking outside the organization Sutter makes the most sense but I'm not sure we wouldn't be better off with an off season coaching search. Look at some the better nhl assistants etc.
- Tfaehner



Is Sutter at a point in his career where he wants to coach a team that is 2-3 years away and is at rock bottom right now?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 4 @ 10:24 AM ET
Is Sutter at a point in his career where he wants to coach a team that is 2-3 years away and is at rock bottom right now?
- MJL



It's easy to just say fire Hakstol. but then what's the plan? Is it Gordon on an interim basis? if that's the case would you move Knoblauch into the full time AHL coach? Would you bring someone from the outside?

It's easy to just say fire him but i want to know what the plan is because you might have to fill 2 new positions.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 4 @ 10:24 AM ET
Is Sutter at a point in his career where he wants to coach a team that is 2-3 years away and is at rock bottom right now?
- MJL


Who knows. Maybe he wants one last multi million dollar payday.

I think if the coach is fired the Winnipeg game will be looked at as the turning point because a win there might have prevented the team's confidence balloon from popping. Not only did they blow a lead in the last minute, they lost Gudas for the next 10 games. If Gudas didn't hack a guy's neck with his stick, Hak's neck might not be in the noose right now.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Dec 4 @ 10:25 AM ET
Is Sutter at a point in his career where he wants to coach a team that is 2-3 years away and is at rock bottom right now?
- MJL


He’s at a point in his career where he’s unemployed.
WhirlingDervish
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "Make The Flyers Great Again", PA
Joined: 02.01.2016

Dec 4 @ 10:28 AM ET
If they set a new franchise record for their 11th straight loss, Haxstol will be fired right?


I was thinking the same, except it won't be immediate. But how do you keep a coach that has that on his very short resume. Unless he gets them into the playoffs, I see no reason to keep him.

And I was happy with bringing him on originally, but there have been too many mistakes.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 10:28 AM ET
It's easy to just say fire Hakstol. but then what's the plan? Is it Gordon on an interim basis? if that's the case would you move Knoblauch into the full time AHL coach? Would you bring someone from the outside?

It's easy to just say fire him but i want to know what the plan is because you might have to fill 2 new positions.

- J35Bacher


Your exactly right. Just firing the coach won't be a miracle cure. If the losing and games where they aren't even in the game continue, then a change has to be made.
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 4 @ 10:29 AM ET
Is Sutter at a point in his career where he wants to coach a team that is 2-3 years away and is at rock bottom right now?
- MJL


Honestly, this is about where Terry Murray did his best work in LA -- teaching them to play the right way and preparing them to contend before Sutter finished the job. But Murph is getting up in years now to be an NHL head coach. Also the Flyers had a chance to hire him as a bench assistant/ mentor role to Hak his first year and they opted not to (Terry very badly wanted that role, too). Lastly, I don't think Hexy wants to go the retread route.

In lieu of himself, Murph talked up Davis Payne as someone he thought could be a really good NHL head coach if given another shot but I think he liked Payne more than Hexy did because there was never a sense he was ever really a strong candidate here.



Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Dec 4 @ 10:30 AM ET
Can anyone say a great Atari Video game.....




TANK!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 10:30 AM ET
He’s at a point in his career where he’s unemployed.
- arichardson22


He is but I'm sure he has a boat load of money. He can also be patient and wait for the right fit if he wants to. I don't know if he would have interest in the Flyers job.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 4 @ 10:32 AM ET
Honestly, this is about where Terry Murray did his best work in LA -- teaching them to play the right way and preparing them to contend before Sutter finished the job. But Murph is getting up in years now to be an NHL head coach. Also the Flyers had a chance to hire him as a bench assistant/ mentor role to Hak his first year and they opted not to (Terry very badly wanted that role, too). Lastly, I don't think Hexy wants to go the retread route.

In lieu of himself, Murph talked up Davis Payne as someone he thought could be a really good NHL head coach if given another shot but I think he liked Payne more than Hexy did because there was never a sense he was ever really a strong candidate here.

- bmeltzer


Crucial miscue on Hextall's part, IMO.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 4 @ 10:33 AM ET
He is but I'm sure he has a boat load of money. He can also be patient and wait for the right fit if he wants to. I don't know if he would have interest in the Flyers job.
- MJL


Maybe him and Hexy are really close and he would want to help his buddy out? As well as make some extra cash.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 10:34 AM ET
Honestly, this is about where Terry Murray did his best work in LA -- teaching them to play the right way and preparing them to contend before Sutter finished the job. But Murph is getting up in years now to be an NHL head coach. Also the Flyers had a chance to hire him as a bench assistant/ mentor role to Hak his first year and they opted not to (Terry very badly wanted that role, too). Lastly, I don't think Hexy wants to go the retread route.

In lieu of himself, Murph talked up Davis Payne as someone he thought could be a really good NHL head coach if given another shot but I think he liked Payne more than Hexy did because there was never a sense he was ever really a strong candidate here.

- bmeltzer


One of the biggest criticisms I have of Hakstol is the failure of the Flyers to correct the individual and fundamental errors that plagued the team for the majority of last season and are back again this year. Murray is a coach that I think would fix that.

A team that is desperate and wants to save their coaches job will come out with a burr under their saddles. That wasn't present in the Bruins game in my opinion.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Dec 4 @ 10:34 AM ET
Your exactly right. Just firing the coach won't be a miracle cure. If the losing and games where they aren't even in the game continue, then a change has to be made.
- MJL



Oh i know there haas to be a change.

I think an easy change that could be done without a major upheaval would be to fire Lappy. The PK is bad so there is merit to it. Kind of like when MLB teams fire hitting coaches and pitching coaches. It's not a major move but it's a move that gets attention in a way
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 10:34 AM ET
Maybe him and Hexy are really close and he would want to help his buddy out? As well as make some extra cash.
- Feanor


That's a possible angle.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 10:36 AM ET
Honestly, this is about where Terry Murray did his best work in LA -- teaching them to play the right way and preparing them to contend before Sutter finished the job. But Murph is getting up in years now to be an NHL head coach. Also the Flyers had a chance to hire him as a bench assistant/ mentor role to Hak his first year and they opted not to (Terry very badly wanted that role, too). Lastly, I don't think Hexy wants to go the retread route.

In lieu of himself, Murph talked up Davis Payne as someone he thought could be a really good NHL head coach if given another shot but I think he liked Payne more than Hexy did because there was never a sense he was ever really a strong candidate here.

- bmeltzer

Terry Murray was the reason I asked the assistant question, but like you mentioned, knew that he wasn't given a HC job when it was open previously
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 10:37 AM ET
A team that is desperate and wants to save their coaches job will come out with a burr under their saddles. That wasn't present in the Bruins game in my opinion.
- MJL

Maybe Konecny wanted to save his coaches job
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 4 @ 10:40 AM ET
A team that is desperate and wants to save their coaches job will come out with a burr under their saddles. That wasn't present in the Bruins game in my opinion.
- MJL


The Vancouver game after the Carnival was the time to get it turned around, and they were as flat as roadkill. I couldn't really believe it.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 4 @ 10:42 AM ET
Is Sutter at a point in his career where he wants to coach a team that is 2-3 years away and is at rock bottom right now?
- MJL



No idea. I'm just saying of the names out there that are free agent coaches that's who I would prefer. My overall preference however is not tie ourselves to anyone and be able to evaluate nhl assistants, unemployed coaches, etc. So if Gordon as interim or whatever else happens or if hasktol finishes the year it's all fine. If you're making a hire mid season, Idk I just don't expect much from a mid season hire.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Dec 4 @ 10:42 AM ET
Moulson on waivers
WhirlingDervish
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "Make The Flyers Great Again", PA
Joined: 02.01.2016

Dec 4 @ 10:42 AM ET
Something I am having a tough time digging up info on...are teams able to hire an assistant from another team in-season? I can't remember and instance and I am having trouble finding an example...but I am not sure if it doesn't happen because it isn't allowed or it doesn't happen because teams don't let it.
- YuenglingJagr

Who did you have in mind???
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