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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 4 @ 6:39 PM ET
I'm sure if other teams had the choice of two veterans to lead a young defense the entire nhl would agree MacDonald and gudas were good choices
- Tfaehner

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:39 PM ET
Stand behind the bench with a mildly quizzical look on your face while benching anyone under the age of 25 who either makes a mistake or shows any creativity
- BiggE


In recent games, Gostisbehere has taken a penalty for yelling at the referee from the bench and for cross checking a player out of the flow of play that negated a PP. I'd argue that Gostisbehere is a creative player. Has Hakstol benched him?
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Dec 4 @ 6:42 PM ET
In recent games, Gostisbehere has taken a penalty for yelling at the referee from the bench and for cross checking a player out of the flow of play that negated a PP. I'd argue that Gostisbehere is a creative player. Has Hakstol benched him?
- MJL

Checkmate, atheists.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:43 PM ET
Why would any Flyer Fan have a bias against his or her favourite teams coach?? Fans have their own thoughts on decisions he makes or based on how his team is playing....it’s not biased that many think he is not a very good coach, it’s based on the fact that the team blows. I’m always amused when you think your thought process is somehow “informed” compared to others on this board. It’s not.
- landros 2


Nothing wrong with thinking that he's not a good coach with the way the team is playing right now. That's fair game and comes with the territory. It's when nothing the coach does is correct, he's called a moron, and other derogatory terms, then that's where the bias comes in. Like that doesn't exist and nobody has ever formed a bias against a player or coach! LOL, In comparison to that, yea my thought process is more informed.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:44 PM ET
Do they remain in this system at all times ? Or do they change based on the time of game or based on the score ? As well if things are not going well do they employ a more aggressive forecheck? If they get a lead do they employ a more passive forecheck, asking the d to play back and stay above the circle and refrain from the pinch in the offensive zone....as well has Hak changed his core system since his arrival?
- landros 2


You tell me!
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Dec 4 @ 6:44 PM ET
In recent games, Gostisbehere has taken a penalty for yelling at the referee from the bench and for cross checking a player out of the flow of play that negated a PP. I'd argue that Gostisbehere is a creative player. Has Hakstol benched him?
- MJL

Can you say with any degree of certainly that Ghost doesn't have Hakstol nudes?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:44 PM ET
Nothing wrong with thinking that he's not a good coach with the way the team is playing right now. That's fair game and comes with the territory. It's when nothing the coach does is correct, he's called a moron, and other derogatory terms, then that's where the bias comes in. Like that doesn't exist and nobody has ever formed a bias against a player or coach! LOL, In comparison to that, yea my thought process is more informed.
- MJL

landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:45 PM ET
You tell me!
- MJL


That’s what I thought.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:50 PM ET
That’s what I thought.
- landros 2


Let's talk systems. Let's discuss the Flyers lock style neutral zone forecheck. Explain it to me. Ready when you are.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 4 @ 6:50 PM ET
In recent games, Gostisbehere has taken a penalty for yelling at the referee from the bench and for cross checking a player out of the flow of play that negated a PP. I'd argue that Gostisbehere is a creative player. Has Hakstol benched him?
- MJL

Good For You

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:52 PM ET
Good For You
- BiggE


I want to know if Hakstol benches young players for creativity and making mistakes why hasn't he benched Gostisbehere for those two egregious mistakes that were selfish and cost the team?
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Dec 4 @ 6:53 PM ET
Nothing wrong with thinking that he's not a good coach with the way the team is playing right now. That's fair game and comes with the territory.
- MJL


The lengthy slumps during all three of his seasons are really a concern. I fully understand he's never had a great roster to work with and I thought he ran a great camp and the team looked fine in October but we're getting to the point of another Hextall has to do something moment.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 4 @ 6:55 PM ET
I hate these west coast start times.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 6:56 PM ET
Good For You
- BiggE

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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:56 PM ET
The lengthy slumps during all three of his seasons are really a concern. I fully understand he's never had a great roster to work with and I thought he ran a great camp and the team looked fine in October but we're getting to the point of another Hextall has to do something moment.
- fls13


Agreed.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 4 @ 6:56 PM ET
I want to know if Hakstol benches young players for creativity and making mistakes why hasn't he benched Gostisbehere for those two egregious mistakes that were selfish and cost the team?
- MJL



Because he was already down Amac and Gudas I would guess.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Dec 4 @ 6:58 PM ET
I want to know if Hakstol benches young players for creativity and making mistakes why hasn't he benched Gostisbehere for those two egregious mistakes that were selfish and cost the team?
- MJL


Good For You
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 4 @ 7:01 PM ET
That and a smiley face. All you got. Let's talk systems. Let's discuss the Flyers lock style neutral zone forecheck. Explain it to me. Ready when you are.
- MJL


If you had played it would go much easier....anyone can read about a sysyem on the internet and regurgitate it...the true answer is why a team uses it when they do. As well do the Flyers have the right players for the system they try to employ. By the way that’s a great name “flyer lock style neutral zone forecheck”....I’m sure you and Hak stayed up all night thinking of that one...
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Dec 4 @ 7:04 PM ET
I understand what he's saying he's just doing it in such an arrogant way that nobody listens to him. Gms and coaches are easy to criticise cause nobody gets it right all the time. Hextall and hasktol likely see all the good and bad on the team as we do they just have different opinions on how to fix it. I don't think hextall is blind. He's handling situation best way he knows how.
- Tfaehner


for the record I have confidence in Hextall's direction of the team and his desire to build this thru the draft.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 7:04 PM ET
I want to know if Hakstol benches young players for creativity and making mistakes why hasn't he benched Gostisbehere for those two egregious mistakes that were selfish and cost the team?
- MJL

He is now too old and therefore has nothing to learn from being benched would be my suspicion
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 7:07 PM ET
Because he was already down Amac and Gudas I would guess.
- MBFlyerfan


The truth is that Hakstol doesn't bench young players if they make a mistake and for being creative. That's simply not true. There is a pattern to how Hakstol handles younger players. If there is a pattern of repeated mistakes that aren't corrected or when he thinks a young player is struggling he will limit their ice time and or sit them down. Any time Hakstol has used the tool of ice time to bench or scratch a young player, he has been criticized for it. As if that's never allowed and isn't a common tactic with NHL coaches. I watched Terry Murray bench Eric Lindros when he was the most dominant player on the ice. Another example is how Torotorella rode Lacavalier when he was young and later Lecavalier credited that tough treatment for making him a better player. Hitchcock with Modano and on and on. It's part of player development and it's something that young players sometimes need to happen.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 7:08 PM ET
If you had played it would go much easier....anyone can read about a sysyem on the internet and regurgitate it...the true answer is why a team uses it when they do. As well do the Flyers have the right players for the system they try to employ. By the way that’s a great name “flyer lock style neutral zone forecheck”....I’m sure you and Hak stayed up all night thinking of that one...
- landros 2


There is zero content here. Here is your chance to educate me since I never played. Explain to me the Flyers neutral zone checking system.
fls13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.24.2009

Dec 4 @ 7:09 PM ET

Flyers lines in Calgary:
Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds
Raffl-Filppula-Voracek
Weal-Patrick-Konecny
Leier-Laughton-Weise

- John Boruk‏Verified account


The Holy Trinity is no more. Let's hope it works.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 4 @ 7:12 PM ET
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 7:12 PM ET
Good For You
- BiggE


How about in the Boston game when Patrick made that bad drop pass that led to a breakaway goal against? How come he hasn't been scratched for that?
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