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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 4:46 PM ET
Which group are you in?
- Mononoke

whichever one barzal is in
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:47 PM ET
She does a weird thing with her hands after the anthem is done. Like some weird gang sign gesture.
- flyer_nutter


Back in the mid-90's the Flyers had some girl who was maybe around 13 or so, and I always thought she did a great job. I remember she sang at Game 1 of the World Cup Finals in 1996 and cried at the end, and I always thought it was pretty wild that she recognized how big of a game it was at that age.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 4:47 PM ET
This is probably due to the fact that Lauren Hart's Star Spangled Banner has been getting worse and finally has bottomed out.

She was ranked the #1 anthem singer like 15 years ago, Lou, stop telling us she's still the best.

- jmatchett383

lol

I love her voice but really hate her SSB rendition. Saturday was the first time I got to witness the Kate/Lauren God Bless America...so that was cool
DaveofYork
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: york, PA
Joined: 10.27.2014

Dec 4 @ 4:48 PM ET
She does a weird thing with her hands after the anthem is done. Like some weird gang sign gesture.
- flyer_nutter


Van Buren Gang
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:48 PM ET
whichever one barzal is in
- YuenglingJagr


What if DeBrincat is in the other group?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 4 @ 4:48 PM ET
The Flyers top line has been very good but it's not remotely the best Flyers top line I've ever seen. We've been shut out six times this season. Change it up!

Raffl might even be ready to play with G and Jake, which I'm all for.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 4:49 PM ET
What if DeBrincat is in the other group?
- jmatchett383

(frank) him
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 4:50 PM ET
https://twitter.com/Footb...status/937746252250394625

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 4 @ 4:50 PM ET
Which group are you in?
- Mononoke


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Starts about 50sec in.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 4 @ 4:54 PM ET
I do find it amusing that it took this 10 game losing streak for people to turn on Hak. And literally only the last game or two.
- Mononoke


The (lack of) effort and cohesion on 11/21/17 at home against Vancouver on after a two day break was when I thought a mid season coaching change was justifiable.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Dec 4 @ 4:55 PM ET
The point is Lavi is a good coach. What reason were people behind Hakstol before this losing streak? The point is the process has been an unmitigated failure for a long time. It just took a big moment for people to get on the same page. And they don't even recognize the long gestating failure part probably.
- Mononoke



the things I female dog about with Hakstol I also did with Lavy and that was player usage and goalie usage. Not adapting, etc. Now i am not saying Hakstol is Lavy. he is a stanley cup winning coach. I don't know how good of a coach Hakstol is really. Just making the point that I don't see why its considered odd that people may turn on a coach because of a losing streak.

personally I was good with the hire because I liked the idea of looking outside of the box of retread coaches. I liked the idea of a young college coach working with young players. Have I been disappointed? yep. I've slowly soured on Hakstol fair or not.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 4:56 PM ET
The (lack of) effort and cohesion on 11/21/17 at home against Vancouver on after a two day break was when I thought a mid season coaching change was justifiable.
- Feanor


I was done after the second of back-to-back losses when they have multi-goal third period leads. It wasn't so much the fact that they lost as much as the way they played those third periods.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:01 PM ET
19 and 11 primed for a night with adequate ice time. 22 is just the man to help them learn what it means to be a pro.
- flyer_nutter


Doomed forever. Might as well trade them.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 4 @ 5:03 PM ET
That new Lip_Out character. He came in like a bat out of hell. Its my mission to find out if he is an old poster under a new name.
- flyer_nutter


Tread lightly...he doesn't like that lol
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 4 @ 5:03 PM ET
Tread lightly...he doesn't like that lol
- Scoob


I just realized it: You have an alt!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 4 @ 5:05 PM ET


Saturday was the first time I got to witness the Kate/Lauren God Bless America...so that was cool

- YuenglingJagr


Same!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Dec 4 @ 5:05 PM ET
[url]

Starts about 50sec in.

- flyer_nutter

Seen this vid. Amazing
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 4 @ 5:05 PM ET
I just realized it: You have an alt!
- jmatchett383


lol
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Dec 4 @ 5:06 PM ET
whichever one barzal is in
- YuenglingJagr


If Barzal was a Flyer, Hakstol would have scratched him already and played him 10 min/game. He'd not be his beautiful bad self.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 4 @ 5:10 PM ET
Tread lightly...he doesn't like that lol
- Scoob


Huh?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Dec 4 @ 5:12 PM ET
If Barzal was a Flyer, Hakstol would have scratched him already and played him 10 min/game. He'd not be his beautiful bad self.
- Mononoke

When I was about 10 or 11 years old, my sisters and I found a bird that was young and appeared to have fallen out of a tree. We got a shoe box and brought it into the house. Placed it under a lamp for heat and mashed up a worm for it to eat. It worked for a good two weeks, and we happily were planning for the day when it would be set free to enjoy a prosperous life singing songs from the trees around my neighborhood and eating the finest seed. Shortly before that day, our cat came inside the house with said bird clutching to life in its mouth.

Point is...although the funeral service was beautiful, the hardest part was knowing what might have been.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 4 @ 5:15 PM ET
Doomed forever. Might as well trade them.
- MJL

[url]
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:16 PM ET
No, it just means you can criticize a coach and his process during a good stretch just as easily as during a poor stretch to determine which is closer to the truth. But they've won like 28 games over the last 75 since that mirage of a 10 game win streak. The same issues some of us endlessly complained about are still there, only now metastasized. This streak is just the nadir.
- Mononoke


There are definitely plenty of room to criticize Hakstol. It's pretty simple, his team has lost 10 in a row and is going backwards. That right there is enough.
So much of the criticisms of Hakstol that I read are either petty and minor, or come from uninformed sources such as your repeated claims that there is a systems issue. You repeatedly claim that defenseman are not allowed to be aggressive offensively, which is obviously not true if you watch the games. Along with the absolutely absurd claims that the Flyers offensive strategy is built around point shots. Anyone stating that automatically disqualifies himself. All of the systems that the Flyers employ, including the PK, are systems that work if executed and if the talent is there. With the exception of the PK which I think is a fair criticism because they do need to make a change there but I still maintain the biggest issue is personnel there. They don't have the defenseman. So the claim that there is a issue overall with the systems Hakstol employs, is simply bogus.

Your new claim is that Hakstol doesn't talk and communicate with his players but offer nothing of substance to back it up.


Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 4 @ 5:16 PM ET
Huh?
- flyer_nutter


I asked him that question point blank, several times. He didn't like the implication.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 5:18 PM ET
Still sounds like some of you are smarter and can notice those things while some of us can't.
- Scoob



Even more important is that they can notice things that Hakstol and Hextall can't.
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