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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 29 @ 9:50 PM ET



bring these back
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 29 @ 10:02 PM ET
Virtanen - Bo - Boeser should be given an extended look, but it won't happen
- Nucker101

Green is playing the tough love role with Jake, it worked for Al Arbour so it must still be relevant, in his mind.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 29 @ 10:03 PM ET



bring these back

- Nucker101

Maybe as a third jersey, but fulltime
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 29 @ 10:09 PM ET
Virtanen - Bo - Boeser should be given an extended look, but it won't happen
- Nucker101



With so many more LS wingers available to Canucks that could play with Bo you'd think keeping JV on the right wing would be better. Then he could do well enough there to be ready to help EP step into the league.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Nov 29 @ 10:12 PM ET
Green is playing the tough love role with Jake, it worked for Al Arbour so it must still be relevant, in his mind.
- LeftCoaster


Does this mean you think Virtsy is a first line winger?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Nov 29 @ 10:20 PM ET
Why
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 29 @ 10:22 PM ET



bring these back

- Nucker101

Very nice jerseys…but stick n' rink is the way to go.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 29 @ 10:24 PM ET
Does this mean you think Virtsy is a first line winger?
- 1970vintage

No...not even on a poopty team like the Canucks.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Nov 29 @ 10:31 PM ET
No...not even on a poopty team like the Canucks.
- LeftCoaster


So playing with the twins, or Gags or Gonner is probably more appropriate then no?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 29 @ 10:37 PM ET
Comets 2-1 Megna Boucher


Comets D get a lot of points maybe we should switch
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Nov 29 @ 10:42 PM ET
Comets 2-1 Megna Boucher


Comets D get a lot of points maybe we should switch

- VANTEL


fuk
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 29 @ 10:50 PM ET
So playing with the twins, or Gags or Gonner is probably more appropriate then no?
- 1970vintage


The Canucks don't have enough talent to make up a top line of legit 1st liners so your logic is flawed
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Nov 29 @ 10:59 PM ET
The Canucks don't have enough talent to make up a top line of legit 2nd liners so your logic is flawed
- Nucker101


Fixed
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 29 @ 11:04 PM ET
So playing with the twins, or Gags or Gonner is probably more appropriate then no?
- 1970vintage

Outside of the last game, where it appears he had some nice minutes, he's been made irrelevant for the most part with his eight minutes a night, is what I'm getting at.

Who he plays with isn't really of concern to me.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:11 PM ET
The Canucks don't have enough talent to make up a top line of legit 1st liners so your logic is flawed
- Nucker101

We have 2/3 pieces.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 29 @ 11:16 PM ET
We have 2/3 pieces.
- Retinalz

I hope Bo scores 25 this year
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 29 @ 11:27 PM ET
Holy f*@&
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 30 @ 12:05 AM ET
I hope Bo scores 25 this year
- VANTEL

I know you're always fixated on goals, ignoring that assists are points as well, but I'd actually like to see him really improve his assist totals and become a better play-maker.

20-25 goals should be easily attainable but I'd like to see a 40 assist season out of him. For a center I think it's important to evolve that part of his game, which is lacking IMO.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Nov 30 @ 12:53 AM ET
I know you're always fixated on goals, ignoring that assists are points as well, but I'd actually like to see him really improve his assist totals and become a better play-maker.

20-25 goals should be easily attainable but I'd like to see a 40 assist season out of him. For a center I think it's important to evolve that part of his game, which is lacking IMO.

- LeftCoaster


He would need to have wingers, or d-men who could finish... sort of a catch 22 wi5 the Canucks eh?
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Nov 30 @ 12:54 AM ET
The Canucks don't have enough talent to make up a top line of legit 1st liners so your logic is flawed
- Nucker101


0 isn’t enough?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 30 @ 2:00 AM ET
He would need to have wingers, or d-men who could finish... sort of a catch 22 wi5 the Canucks eh?
- 1970vintage

Two things 1) he does have wingers that can finish, one moreso than the other, and 2) if he needs to be surrounded by 50 goal scorers (which would be nice) to get assists then he's not as good as we all think he is.

Horvat needs to make the others around him better, as a center, not the other way around.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Nov 30 @ 2:29 AM ET
Two things 1) he does have wingers that can finish, one moreso than the other, and 2) if he needs to be surrounded by 50 goal scorers (which would be nice) to get assists then he's not as good as we all think he is.

Horvat needs to make the others around him better, as a center, not the other way around.

- LeftCoaster

More importantly, how was the camel toe?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 30 @ 3:07 AM ET
Two things 1) he does have wingers that can finish, one moreso than the other, and 2) if he needs to be surrounded by 50 goal scorers (which would be nice) to get assists then he's not as good as we all think he is.

Horvat needs to make the others around him better, as a center, not the other way around.

- LeftCoaster

I don't think he's that type of a player, the guy is a powerforward. Nothing wrong with having that at Center. Embrace him for what he is.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 30 @ 4:07 AM ET
I don't think he's that type of a player, the guy is a powerforward. Nothing wrong with having that at Center. Embrace him for what he is.
- Nucker101

I agree, however, it doesn't mean he can't improve other parts of his game.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 30 @ 4:37 AM ET
It definitely take the long game to draft all positions and put together a balanced core. The list of teams that have one outstanding strength and prematurely run with it often face the sobering reality of a early reset with franchise players already hitting the middle of their careers and getting massive contracts.

Nothing is a sure bet though. If your drafting sucks you end up with a generation gap anyways.

- boonerbuck

I agree, it really does take the long game to build from within unless you're both lucky and a genius on the draft floor, but, you don't have to be really good at all facets of the game to win a Championship. In my opinion anyways.

Lots of examples of scoring deficient teams who win with good defense, when LA won in 2012 they were second last in GF (194) but they were second best in GA (179). 2014 was very much the same sixth last in GF but number one in GA.

Conversely, some of high scoring teams who aren't great defensively win too, last year Pittshburgh was in the bottom half of the league in GA, seventeenth, but they were the best by a wide margin in GF with 282. Outscored their defensive deficiencies.
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