To what is this discussion even relevant? Saying the Devils did better than the Rangers? Saying that the Rangers should have traded Stepan in a Vatanen deal?
- Pete V

again, he's just taking the opposite side of an argument that I am making just to do it

To what is this discussion even relevant? Saying the Devils did better than the Rangers? Saying that the Rangers should have traded Stepan in a Vatanen deal?
- Pete V

Comparing the returns of both teams. I know that without trading Stepan, Shattenkirk signs elsewhere.

No they wouldn't have. I just think that the while both the Devils and Rangers overpaid a bit, the Devils got something tangible back in their deal with Vatanen.
- tomburton99

But thats is if you leave out Shattenkirk. Technically it wasn't a trade but it was a direct result of that trade. I would take Shattenkirk 10 out of 10 times over Vatanen.

So we did get something very tangible out of the Stepan trade

Comparing the returns of both teams. I know that without trading Stepan, Shattenkirk signs elsewhere.
- tomburton99

let me dumb it down for you

Stepan's cap hit: 6.5 million a year.

Shattenkirk's cap hit: 6.5 million a year.

it's not too difficult

But thats is if you leave out Shattenkirk. Technically it wasn't a trade but it was a direct result of that trade. I would take Shattenkirk 10 out of 10 times over Vatanen.

So we did get something very tangible out of the Stepan trade
- mdw7413

The 7th overall pick is very tangible, whether people like to admit it or not. Guys drafted in the top 10 are players that organizations hope to play for their club for years, and they come cheap early and the club has long term control over them.

I think we need to reassess the definition of the word tangible.

let me dumb it down for you

Stepan's cap hit: 6.5 million a year.

Shattenkirk's cap hit: 6.5 million a year.

it's not too difficult
- jimbro83

I already acknowledged that, thank you.

Mika out with concussion.

if Stepan was still a Ranger this season and was stuck on 3 goals like he is in Arizona I'd be working overtime defending the guy right about now

I think a better comparison for the Stepan deal is the McDonagh deal.

Gomez got you McDonagh and the ability to sign Gaborik
Stepan got you DeAngelo, Anderson, and the ability to sign Shattenkirk.

Mika out with concussion.
- airjan23

Wtf?

I think a better comparison for the Stepan deal is the McDonagh deal.

Gomez got you McDonagh and the ability to sign Gaborik
Stepan got you DeAngelo, Anderson, and the ability to sign Shattenkirk.
- climbdenali12

great example, thank you

Mika out with concussion.
- airjan23

Damn it.

Wtf?
- mdw7413

I dont know how it happened, but it sucks

Mika out with concussion.
- airjan23

What the frack?!?!?! Did that happen in the pre-game skate? Or in practice?

The 7th overall pick is very tangible, whether people like to admit it or not. Guys drafted in the top 10 are players that organizations hope to play for their club for years, and they come cheap early and the club has long term control over them.

I think we need to reassess the definition of the word tangible.
- Pete V

Yeah, I agree Pete. I guess we were talking about who can help the team now. Maybe tangible isn't the correct word.

Mika out with concussion.
- airjan23

i wonder when the hell this happened?

dont remember anything serious in the DET game, and they practiced Tuesday right? He also was taking warmups Wednesday night.

very strange and very concerning. 2 years in a row now with hot starts for zib only for an injury to pop up.

What the frack?!?!?! Did that happen in the pre-game skate? Or in practice?
- Tonybere

While he was DJing and doing his head bob

What the frack?!?!?! Did that happen in the pre-game skate? Or in practice?
- Tonybere

Got hit hard vs Vancouver if I remember correctly. Maybe then?

i wonder when the hell this happened?

dont remember anything serious in the DET game, and they practiced Tuesday right? He also was taking warmups Wednesday night.

very strange and very concerning. 2 years in a row now with hot starts for zib only for an injury to pop up.
- NYRangers1124

Trying to find and figure that out myself. But Rangers confirmed it today.

I dont know how it happened, but it sucks
- jimbro83

In warmups? That would be odd. Unless it was from a previous game with delayed symptoms.

great example, thank you
- jimbro83

And McDonagh didn't play for the team for almost a full year if I remember correctly

Mika out with concussion.
- airjan23

...from that hit in the corner, I'll bet. Took him some time to get up from it.

Yeah, I agree Pete. I guess we were talking about who can help the team now. Maybe tangible isn't the correct word.
- mdw7413

Ryan McDonagh didn't become a Ranger until a year and a half after the Gomez deal, so Montreal initially won the whole tangible thing on that one

And McDonagh didn't play for the team for almost a full year
- climbdenali12

haha

Trying to find and figure that out myself. But Rangers confirmed it today.
- airjan23

i was at the vancouver game so its tough to remember specifics maybe then?