1. matthews
2. marner
==
3. kadri
4. willie kessel
5. rielly
6. freddy reimer
7. brown
8. zaitsev
9. hyman

1st 2 are only untouchables.
don't see leafs trading away the other 7 either, but less 'untouchable'.

i would say liljegren and woll, dermott would be in same category as the 7.

that group of 12 players is core going forward
- MaximusAurelius

Don't kid yourself, the only untouchable is Matthews.

Don't kid yourself, the only untouchable is Matthews.
- mjones242

would you trade Mcdavid for Mathews?

would you trade Mcdavid for Mathews?
- senstroll

It's going to sound like I'm being a homer, because I am, but I think at this point I like what Matthews is doing offensively AND defensively so I would rather keep him. For the Leafs as a team, I think Matthews brings more of what they need and have needed for a long time; a dominant two-way center.

would you trade Mcdavid for Mathews?
- senstroll

No.

And I'm not suggesting Matthews is "better" than McD -- just that the trade likely only marginally improves the Leafs offence and any benefits there likely might be felt negatively on the defensive side of the puck (e.g. Matthews is a superior 200ft player).

Look, even Gretzky was traded so there is truly no such thing as completely "untouchable" but the probabilities are next to zero that Matthews would ever be traded for anything less than a massive robbery of sorts.

The lose a lot of games in extra time
- david22

A loss is still a loss to me.

At the end of the day 8 wins at this point is horrible. The extra point is the only thing keeping the Sens out of the basement with the Sabres and the Oilers

A loss is still a loss to me.

At the end of the day 8 wins at this point is horrible. The extra point is the only thing keeping the Sens out of the basement with the Sabres and the Oilers
- Santo_44

and Habs. Can't forget them.

It's going to sound like I'm being a homer, because I am, but I think at this point I like what Matthews is doing offensively AND defensively so I would rather keep him. For the Leafs as a team, I think Matthews brings more of what they need and have needed for a long time; a dominant two-way center.
- markmark

I am sorry the correct answer is yes

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— Jeff Veillette (@JeffVeillette) November 23, 2017

We were wasting him on the 4th line

I am sorry the correct answer is yes
- senstroll

You're forgetting something. Without Matthews, we don't have enough to pry Tanev out of Vancouver. Unless maybe we do a 4 way? Leafs get Tanev, Vancouver gets Matthews, Oilers get Laine and WPG gets McDavid.

This GMing stuff is easy.

Just kidding. I totally realized these are just two separate trades.

You're forgetting something. Without Matthews, we don't have enough to pry Tanev out of Vancouver. Unless maybe we do a 4 way? Leafs get Tanev, Vancouver gets Matthews, Oilers get Laine and WPG gets McDavid.

This GMing stuff is easy.
- markmark

Man, thank god Doronion isn't the Leafs' GM.

And even better, he's the Sens' GM.

Man, thank god Doronion isn't the Leafs' GM.

And even better, he's the Sens' GM.


- Feeling Glucky?

Golden onion is the best.

Sens have 3 games in hand.

They are winning at roughly the same pace as Toronto (a teeny bit lower - not much).
- Atomic Wedgie

The Sens have played significantly worse since trading Turris. Duchene has one and a half years of control and has not even come close to resembling what he was coming out of junior. Don't know the reason nor do I want to speculate, it appears Sens were third best in the deal. Give them a bronze medal. They lost some assets, don't pick until the fourth round in the draft this year.

You're forgetting something. Without Matthews, we don't have enough to pry Tanev out of Vancouver. Unless maybe we do a 4 way? Leafs get Tanev, Vancouver gets Matthews, Oilers get Laine and WPG gets McDavid.

This GMing stuff is easy.

Just kidding. I totally realized these are just two separate trades.
- markmark

Did someone say 4 way...

You're forgetting something. Without Matthews, we don't have enough to pry Tanev out of Vancouver. Unless maybe we do a 4 way? Leafs get Tanev, Vancouver gets Matthews, Oilers get Laine and WPG gets McDavid.

This GMing stuff is easy.

Just kidding. I totally realized these are just two separate trades.
- markmark

Everyone gets a reach around

The Sens have played significantly worse since trading Turris. Duchene has one and a half years of control and has not even come close to resembling what he was coming out of junior. Don't know the reason nor do I want to speculate, it appears Sens were third best in the deal. Give them a bronze medal. They lost some assets, don't pick until the fourth round in the draft this year.
- winsix

That's also pts percentage. TECHNICALLY, Sens are 8-12 to the Leafs' 14-9.

The Sens have played significantly worse since trading Turris. Duchene has one and a half years of control and has not even come close to resembling what he was coming out of junior. Don't know the reason nor do I want to speculate, it appears Sens were third best in the deal. Give them a bronze medal. They lost some assets, don't pick until the fourth round in the draft this year.
- winsix

6 games. Duchene has a few more to show he can be what he was in his rookie season.

The Sens have played significantly worse since trading Turris. Duchene has one and a half years of control and has not even come close to resembling what he was coming out of junior. Don't know the reason nor do I want to speculate, it appears Sens were third best in the deal. Give them a bronze medal. They lost some assets, don't pick until the fourth round in the draft this year.
- winsix

Paid 2 1st a 3rd and a hamburger in order to downgrade at center.

No.

And I'm not suggesting Matthews is "better" than McD -- just that the trade likely only marginally improves the Leafs offence and any benefits there likely might be felt negatively on the defensive side of the puck (e.g. Matthews is a superior 200ft player).

Look, even Gretzky was traded so there is truly no such thing as completely "untouchable" but the probabilities are next to zero that Matthews would ever be traded for anything less than a massive robbery of sorts.
- mjones242

yes

yes
- senstroll

Err... to which part? What?

Paid 2 1st a 3rd and a hamburger in order to downgrade at center.
- HealthyScratch6

Could have just paid the 6 million to Turris but whatevs. We can laugh at the sorry state Ottawa is for years to come still

The Sens have played significantly worse since trading Turris. Duchene has one and a half years of control and has not even come close to resembling what he was coming out of junior. Don't know the reason nor do I want to speculate, it appears Sens were third best in the deal. Give them a bronze medal. They lost some assets, don't pick until the fourth round in the draft this year.
- winsix

i don't disagree with your comment, but i'm pretty sure the 3rd round pick is 2019 not 2018

i don't disagree with your comment, but i'm pretty sure the 3rd round pick is 2019 not 2018
- Triple-T

https://www.prosportstran...rades/Future/Senators.htm

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/Senators.htm
- winsix

https://www.capfriendly.c...019&round=3&tid=8&otid=21

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/Senators.htm
- winsix

*prays the sens pick top 10 this year and then win the lottery next year*

That's also pts percentage. TECHNICALLY, Sens are 8-12 to the Leafs' 14-9.
- markmark

The only thing that matters is points earned. Yes, wins matter in a tie-breaker, but that's something to think about in April, not November.