Martell brought some speed. I am hopefully optimistic that he can get some goals. Raffle is much better than Weisse and Lehtera both of who will hopefully see limited playing time. Raffle had a good game last night. I can see why the coaches trust Fillpilla. He is a responsible player. At the same time aside from the beginning of the year he does not do much offensively and for what he is getting paid (I think around 5 mil) we need a more offense from him. Perhaps they can bring up Vechione at some point to take his spot. The Schen trade was a bad one. Did not like it when I heard it. Trading one of your top scorers who also is young and physical for two late first rounders and Lehtera was a bad move. Late first round picks are no where near a guarantee to do much in the nhl. We got lucky with giroux but there are plenty of late first round picks that have limited impact. Fans deserve better than the team picking up Lehtera who was basically another teams salary dump. While Hextal had to clear out some of the players that Holmgren brought in Hextal has brought in some curious players of his own - The Umbergaler, Lehtera, Filpila (who Tampa used as a salary dump on us). Would have been better to take the Lehtera and Filpila money - what close to 9 million- and do something constructive with it.

Got to start looking at Hakstol at some point if team does not turn things around.

Why are they tuning home out? What about hakstol don’t you like?
Are their systems screwed up?

The players on the ice need to be better. There is not enough talent. How many players on this squad are in that 24-27 yoa sweet spot? Not enough. Either over the hill or really green
- Just5

I don't like his demeanor , and I don't like that he doesn't really show any fire behind the bench. Also the fact that he doesn't adjust anything mid game if it is not working gets to me as sometimes that needs to be done. I have no insight into whether they are tuning him out just a suggestion because teams playing like this usually are ones that have tuned the coach out. I think he tells the team to play a safe game as well when there are a lot of guys who would benefit if he just let loose of the reigns and allowed them to create more freely on the ice.

This is a very young team I believe as the season progresses they are only going to improve. If they can find a way to sneak into one of the wild card spots I could see them giving a higher seeded team some trouble in the first round. Young and hungry players who will do anything to win is usually a recipe for success in the post season. The Flyers have a lot of young guys who probably feel like they have something to prove. Hopefully they can pick it up

who is going to take clodes contract?
- rinaldo

hopefully montreal

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone except the Flyers coaching staff.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone except the Flyers coaching staff.
- hereticpride

😂

hopefully montreal
- 2Real

Giroux isn't going anywhere the guy will retire a Flyer

I don't like his demeanor , and I don't like that he doesn't really show any fire behind the bench. Also the fact that he doesn't adjust anything mid game if it is not working gets to me as sometimes that needs to be done. I have no insight into whether they are tuning him out just a suggestion because teams playing like this usually are ones that have tuned the coach out. I think he tells the team to play a safe game as well when there are a lot of guys who would benefit if he just let loose of the reigns and allowed them to create more freely on the ice.
- FreshFlyer

To me the players have the opportunities to make plays on the ice. The first line and provorov has no problem with the coach. It is a talent issue. I’m not all that upset. It was never about this year and young guys are being given playing time.

Only way to win a cup is 200 foot players.
No place for an offensive threat that isnt a 200 foot player.
- opeth_pa

Haha right

To me the players have the opportunities to make plays on the ice. The first line and provorov has no problem with the coach. It is a talent issue
- Just5

100% agree on the last sentence.

Yeah Hakstol has made some less than stellar moves/decisions, but what coach hasn't?

I would almost be willing to bet my life a coaching change wouldn't end in better results.

You gotta live with that, sure he isn't the greatest defensively and cheats a bit to get some opportunities but he is one of the only players who really drives the play out there. I'd rather him score then be solid defensively and put up no points. We already have a lot of guys who are solid on d but can't score at all.
- FreshFlyer

I disagree that you have to live with that. If you want to be a top team, your best players, especially your leaders have to play the right way. His defensive errors have been frequent and egregious and it needs to improve. There is no reason why he can't improve his play away from the puck while continuing to score.

Tyg

I don't like his demeanor , and I don't like that he doesn't really show any fire behind the bench. Also the fact that he doesn't adjust anything mid game if it is not working gets to me as sometimes that needs to be done. I have no insight into whether they are tuning him out just a suggestion because teams playing like this usually are ones that have tuned the coach out. I think he tells the team to play a safe game as well when there are a lot of guys who would benefit if he just let loose of the reigns and allowed them to create more freely on the ice.
- FreshFlyer

What a coach shows in post game interviews is not necessarily his demeanor behind the bench. I also don't know how you can tell what his demeanor is from the glimpses the camera shows of him during a game. Stating that he doesn't make any adjustments mid game is simply false. Systems wise, the Flyers don't play a safe game. They play an aggressive 2 man forecheck with strong side pinches by defenseman backed up by a lock style neutral zone forecheck.

Ghost has been invisible defensively. See what I did there

Some observations

No way I'm even considering re-signing what will be a 31 year old Simmonds to a contract extension. He should be dealt either at the deadline or the draft.

I pictured Elliott stumbling into the locker room after the game and just throwing equipment everywhere before collapsing a la Dennie Lemieux

Morin made no more mistakes than Manning did and less than Ghost. The kid just needs to play.

The development of Sanheim is one of the few true positives with this team right now. He's gonna be a stud.

Patrick has shown flashes, need to just be patient and hope he can stay healthy the rest of the season.

The team looked good at ES, no need to see anymore of Lehtera and Weise.

The PK is just a confidence lacking dumpster fire right now. It may not all be on Lappy but it's been generally poor for a long time and he doesn't seem to be making any adjustments to help things other than his starting to use Giroux more. It's probably not the easiest thing to do mid season, but a change seems to be in order.

Hopefully they snap out of it with a win Friday. If so, it will be because I'm at the game and I'll expect your expressions of gratitude for my presence.

Woodford Reserve rye is really good

I hope you all have a safe and fun Thanksgiving today!
- BiggE

We have 2 years to sign Simmonds to a contract extension it's fair to say I'm wait and see or looking for a favorable team deal.

I think it's interesting people point out Morin flaws. It's like people are so tired of hearing us complain he should be in they kind of hope he proves he's not ready so they can prove their kool aid.

Our pk sucks. It sits back meanwhile other teams attack and work a change system to not be caught out of position. We stand in a box and hope they don't score and if we pursue of any kind we get scored on.

I too enjoy Woodford rye

One trade that won't be complete until years down the road should get a GM fired? glad fans aren't running NHL teams. Little bit of an overraction

the team on the ice last night had an average age in the range of 25 with about 13 guys 25 and under. 6 rookies. People have been female doging and moaning for the prospects to play. Guess what, young players make mistakes. I've said it a million times, the old approach of free agency got the team in a bad spot. A spot Hextall has been getting out from under.

personally as frustrating as it may get, I loved seeing so many young players playing. Obviously the team will need to start producing and getting better over the next few seasons but i am not going to lose sight of the being picture as more young players are being incorporated into the lineup and holes are being filled.

Just my take. To each their own. Happy turkey day!

I disagree that you have to live with that. If you want to be a top team, your best players, especially your leaders have to play the right way. His defensive errors have been frequent and egregious and it needs to improve. There is no reason why he can't improve his play away from the puck while continuing to score.
- MJL

Cool story bro tell it again

What a coach shows in post game interviews is not necessarily his demeanor behind the bench. I also don't know how you can tell what his demeanor is from the glimpses the camera shows of him during a game. Stating that he doesn't make any adjustments mid game is simply false. Systems wise, the Flyers don't play a safe game. They play an aggressive 2 man forecheck with strong side pinches by defenseman backed up by a lock style neutral zone forecheck.
- MJL

Awesome insight much appreciated!

To me the players have the opportunities to make plays on the ice. The first line and provorov has no problem with the coach. It is a talent issue. I’m not all that upset. It was never about this year and young guys are being given playing time.
- Just5

Talent issue as we may have other coaches are getting far more out of much less. Team like Ottawa is suddenly a playoff threat because of a system and a coach that doesn't let players play above it. Why is it so hard that I want to watch a system and see it actually executed ? That's on the coach as much as the players. It's also on the organization as the ahl SHOULD be playing the same system so the kids learned it better

Martell brought some speed. I am hopefully optimistic that he can get some goals. Raffle is much better than Weisse and Lehtera both of who will hopefully see limited playing time. Raffle had a good game last night. I can see why the coaches trust Fillpilla. He is a responsible player. At the same time aside from the beginning of the year he does not do much offensively and for what he is getting paid (I think around 5 mil) we need a more offense from him. Perhaps they can bring up Vechione at some point to take his spot. The Schen trade was a bad one. Did not like it when I heard it. Trading one of your top scorers who also is young and physical for two late first rounders and Lehtera was a bad move. Late first round picks are no where near a guarantee to do much in the nhl. We got lucky with giroux but there are plenty of late first round picks that have limited impact. Fans deserve better than the team picking up Lehtera who was basically another teams salary dump. While Hextal had to clear out some of the players that Holmgren brought in Hextal has brought in some curious players of his own - The Umbergaler, Lehtera, Filpila (who Tampa used as a salary dump on us). Would have been better to take the Lehtera and Filpila money - what close to 9 million- and do something constructive with it.

Got to start looking at Hakstol at some point if team does not turn things around.
- Toadthedry

Filppula has been a solid addition as a center without giving up any of the future to acquire him. Lehtera won't be around when it really matters and this team is ready to contend. The last thing Hextall should've done is used that money to add any high priced veterans on longer term deals if that is what you're suggesting.

Talent issue as we may have other coaches are getting far more out of much less. Team like Ottawa is suddenly a playoff threat because of a system and a coach that doesn't let players play above it. Why is it so hard that I want to watch a system and see it actually executed ? That's on the coach as much as the players. It's also on the organization as the ahl SHOULD be playing the same system so the kids learned it better
- Tfaehner

Pretty much , Vegas has way less talent than the Flyers yet they are first in their division obviously their coach has nothing to do with that right?Hakstol has not shown me he is getting the players to really buy in to whatever system he is trying to execute and that is on him as much as it is on the players in my eyes.

Talent issue as we may have other coaches are getting far more out of much less. Team like Ottawa is suddenly a playoff threat because of a system and a coach that doesn't let players play above it. Why is it so hard that I want to watch a system and see it actually executed ? That's on the coach as much as the players. It's also on the organization as the ahl SHOULD be playing the same system so the kids learned it better
- Tfaehner

I agree with you 100%. It comes down to leadership and the team buying in. For example when some suggest that it is okay for a player like Voracek to make mistake after mistake away from the puck that costs the team because he scores, they don't grasp that a coach can't demand and or punish a young player for not playing the right way if his veteran players don't set the example and demand that of themselves and their teammates. That's how it works. That's how teams such as Ottawa last year play above their talent level. It's up to the coach and the leaders of the team to find away to make that happen.

I agree with you 100%. It comes down to leadership and the team buying in. For example when some suggest that it is okay for a player like Voracek to make mistake after mistake away from the puck that costs the team because he scores, they don't grasp that a coach can't demand and or punish a young player for not playing the right way if his veteran players don't set the example and demand that of themselves and their teammates. That's how it works. That's how teams such as Ottawa last year play above their talent level. It's up to the coach and the leaders of the team to find away to make that happen.
- MJL

Voracek might make some defensive mistakes out there but you can tell he is trying. It's not as if he goes on the ice giving no (frank)s whatsoever. Are you saying Voracek is a player who hasn't bought in because I believe by the way he carries himself and works on the ice he is a guy trying to do his all and his best to win night in and night out. Not every player can be Bergeron in the defensive zone every player will make a mistake eventually. Who is to say once the guys get back to the room after the Calgary game for example he isn't the one taking responsibility for what happened on the ice give me a break man. Voracek is not the problem far from it

Voracek might make some defensive mistakes out there but you can tell he is trying. It's not as if he goes on the ice giving no (frank)s whatsoever. Are you saying Voracek is a player who hasn't bought in because I believe by the way he carries himself and works on the ice he is a guy trying to do his all and his best to win night in and night out. Not every player can be Bergeron in the defensive zone every player will make a mistake eventually. Who is to say once the guys get back to the room after the Calgary game for example he isn't the one taking responsibility for what happened on the ice give me a break man. Voracek is not the problem far from it
- FreshFlyer

Voracek is a veteran player who is being paid over 8M a year. I think it's fair to expect more than just trying and to expect him to clean up his play away from the puck. That's not asking him to be Bergeron. I sure hope he is taking responsibility for it and I never said he wasn't so your "give me a break man" comment doesn't make any sense. The true way a veteran leader takes responsibility for it is to improve and clean it up. His defensive breakdowns have been a major problem for the team this season. Both in terms of actual goals against and games lost and in terms of setting an example of leadership.

Anyone trying to say Voracek, Giroux or Couturier are an issue on this team obviously doesn't watch the games haha. They are the only ones doing anything out there offensively whatsoever!