Rather have a player, Morin, get penalized for trying to do too much, than the typical as of late flyer penalty because of a lack of effort. Same issues keep happening year after year, time to start looking at the players you assemble.

I thought by far that was Sanheims best game of the year. It shows what some time playing and gaining experience up at this level can do. We all know every kid will have rookie mistakes from time to time and I am at the point now where I can accept that over the likes of the Weises and Lehteras of the world.

As well really liked Martels hustle and speed despite his lack of size, this guy needs to remain in the line up. The hunger and tenacity in the young kids is so evident compared to some of the veterans on this team.

It was a loss, but there was more positive to take away from last night than not.

When you are skating a blue line as young as the Flyers are there are going to be oops moments.

I still can't figure the d pairings and the shoe horning for Ghost to the left side and Morin to the right side when Ghost had a better run on the Right side and Morin plays better on the left....but that is me.

It was refreshing to see pressure from all four lines at times. Martel looks like he could have the creative and really can skoot. The team as a whole just looked quicker without Weiss and Lehtera. Yes, they are also smaller and potentially can be pushed around a little...but even Big Sam moves well (better than Gudas).

I would have liked to see them pick up a win, but all in all, last night was a better performance and shows more positives than other recent games.

ghost has been bad a for a bit now. seems like he is playing roller hockey.

Saint Ronnie trying to do this half a*s rebuild is just treading water. the core of clode jake and wayne isnt as good as other teams core in the conf. Should have tore it down completely.

Freshflyer imo they have been tuning Hakstol out for about a year now, even that 10 game losing streak last year and Hextall kept him. He should have been canned. I made a decision last night to stop taking my Flyer so seriously. Now I just sit back and laugh at them even though I want nothing more than wins. As long as Hakstol is behind the bench this team will never win and the same goes for Haxtall, lol Trading Schenn should have got him fired, what a gong show!
- joegreif17

Saint Ronnie has also turned this team into the softest in the nhl. Wimpiest flyers team in history. Mr Snider is turning in his grave.

Your in a so called rebuild but trade your young 50+ point player. He should have followed that up with moving others.

At least they have the rushkie dman who is a complete stud.

Raffl had a strong game last night and despite not putting up points, has played well.
- MJL

raffle is overpaid for what he brings. he is a 4th a liner player. Can easily be replaced. Another bad contract given out.

I wondered if they would move Giroux at draft or this year sometime even with his no movement clause. Then I sit back and wonder how bad this team would be without him? I can barely get through games now....we already moved out a solid contributor for futures....This would signal that they really are going full rebuild. Considering we could have started it three years ago I would then really start to question our GM and his plan or lack there of.
- landros 2

who is going to take clodes contract?

He did play well last night. I just get disappointed with him because there should be more there offensively and its just not happening.
- landros 2

I think to get more out of him offensively, he has to play on a different line. I think he should be playing on the 3rd line over Weise or Lehtera. I think he is a better player than both.

The physical tools that Morin has are obvious. It was only one game but he needs to tighten up his play to be more effective.

Saint Ronnie has also turned this team into the softest in the nhl. Wimpiest flyers team in history. Mr Snider is turning in his grave.

Your in a so called rebuild but trade your young 50+ point player. He should have followed that up with moving others.

At least they have the rushkie dman who is a complete stud.
- rinaldo

(frank)in Rushins

ghost has been bad a for a bit now. seems like he is playing roller hockey.

Saint Ronnie trying to do this half a*s rebuild is just treading water. the core of clode jake and wayne isnt as good as other teams core in the conf. Should have tore it down completely.
- rinaldo

How can you seriously blame Giroux or Voracek for anything this season they are both over a point per game right now, Simmonds sure but those 2 have been playing their roles on this team just fine. The issue is the secondary scoring is not there.

Does anyone else think Gudas's days are numbered with this team ?

Wow can't believe some of these comments - this team has 21 pts. just 8 pts out of the lead in the Metro and they have arguably played horrible at 8-9-5 so far.....playing a roster with rookie after rookie and only 8 pts out. I agree that Lehtera, Read and Weise shouldn't see the ice again because you are just treading water. Barring major injury issues they need to just keep pushing with this line up:

Giroux-Courterier-Vorachek
Martel-Patrick-Simmonds
Weal-Filppula-Kocnecny
Leier-Laughton-Raffl

Provorov-Hagg
Morin-Ghost
Sanheim-MacDonald

Send Manning through waivers and try and trade and then Gudas can be the 7th rotating with MacDonald on any even given night. If Filppula doesn't watch his ass then Weal can go to center and bring up Lindholm from the Phantoms. Then you have a line of:

Lindholm-Weal-Konecny

This is how you are going to continue to improve and play up and down hockey and be frustrated but become a contender sooner than later. I am not so down on Hakstol as everyone else got to have him get some growing pains just like the young roster. Brayden Schenn needed to go plain and simple.

raffle is overpaid for what he brings. he is a 4th a liner player. Can easily be replaced. Another bad contract given out.
- rinaldo

Certainly not Raffl played everything from Top line to 4th line and I doubt he is easy replaceable.You can see it with Travis Konecny or Jordan Weal.They are talented
but did not score more sometimes with 7 minutes more of ice time
Raffl is a possession player with energy and 200 foot reach
And as you know if you in possession of the puck it is difficult for opposition to score

Ghost was bad tonight, kinda sucks to see him play how he's been playing this past stretch of games considering how good he was all around to start the season.

I suspect he is still recovering from concussion.

How can you seriously blame Giroux or Voracek for anything this season they are both over a point per game right now, Simmonds sure but those 2 have been playing their roles on this team just fine. The issue is the secondary scoring is not there.
- FreshFlyer

where do you see blame being placed? a true rebuild doesnt or shouldnt include those players imo. This team is so far away from cup contention. Where do you see those 2 in 4 years?

Certainly not Raffl played everything from Top line to 4th line and I doubt he is easy replaceable.You can see it with Travis Konecny or Jordan Weal.They are talented
but did not score more sometimes with 7 minutes more of ice time
Raffl is a possession player with energy and 200 foot reach
And as you know if you in possession of the puck it is difficult for opposition to score
- goenzoy

he is CORSI God. He is easily replaceable.

How can you seriously blame Giroux or Voracek for anything this season they are both over a point per game right now, Simmonds sure but those 2 have been playing their roles on this team just fine. The issue is the secondary scoring is not there.
- FreshFlyer

Voracek has been guilty of numerous bad defensive gaffes that have cost this team including most recently against Calgary.

Wow can't believe some of these comments - this team has 21 pts. just 8 pts out of the lead in the Metro and they have arguably played horrible at 8-9-5 so far.....playing a roster with rookie after rookie and only 8 pts out. I agree that Lehtera, Read and Weise shouldn't see the ice again because you are just treading water. Barring major injury issues they need to just keep pushing with this line up:

Giroux-Courterier-Vorachek
Martel-Patrick-Simmonds
Weal-Filppula-Kocnecny
Leier-Laughton-Raffl

Provorov-Hagg
Morin-Ghost
Sanheim-MacDonald

Send Manning through waivers and try and trade and then Gudas can be the 7th rotating with MacDonald on any even given night. If Filppula doesn't watch his ass then Weal can go to center and bring up Lindholm from the Phantoms. Then you have a line of:

Lindholm-Weal-Konecny

This is how you are going to continue to improve and play up and down hockey and be frustrated but become a contender sooner than later. I am not so down on Hakstol as everyone else got to have him get some growing pains just like the young roster. Brayden Schenn needed to go plain and simple.
- HammerSayWhat

At this point in the season, 8 points is a lot and is not going to be easy to make up. Weal has been a disapointment this season so far and has not played better than Filppula has. I'm not sure why Filppula has to watch his ass and Weal doesn't. In case you didn't notice, Weal played on the 4th line last night.

Voracek has been guilty of numerous bad defensive gaffes that have cost this team including most recently against Calgary.
- MJL

You gotta live with that, sure he isn't the greatest defensively and cheats a bit to get some opportunities but he is one of the only players who really drives the play out there. I'd rather him score then be solid defensively and put up no points. We already have a lot of guys who are solid on d but can't score at all.

You gotta live with that, sure he isn't the greatest defensively and cheats a bit to get some opportunities but he is one of the only players who really drives the play out there. I'd rather him score then be solid defensively and put up no points. We already have a lot of guys who are solid on d but can't score at all.
- FreshFlyer

Only way to win a cup is 200 foot players.
No place for an offensive threat that isnt a 200 foot player.

Wow can't believe some of these comments - this team has 21 pts. just 8 pts out of the lead in the Metro and they have arguably played horrible at 8-9-5 so far.....playing a roster with rookie after rookie and only 8 pts out. I agree that Lehtera, Read and Weise shouldn't see the ice again because you are just treading water. Barring major injury issues they need to just keep pushing with this line up:

Giroux-Courterier-Vorachek
Martel-Patrick-Simmonds
Weal-Filppula-Kocnecny
Leier-Laughton-Raffl

Provorov-Hagg
Morin-Ghost
Sanheim-MacDonald

Send Manning through waivers and try and trade and then Gudas can be the 7th rotating with MacDonald on any even given night. If Filppula doesn't watch his ass then Weal can go to center and bring up Lindholm from the Phantoms. Then you have a line of:

Lindholm-Weal-Konecny

This is how you are going to continue to improve and play up and down hockey and be frustrated but become a contender sooner than later. I am not so down on Hakstol as everyone else got to have him get some growing pains just like the young roster. Brayden Schenn needed to go plain and simple.
- HammerSayWhat

I really like the way you looked at this. I am not 100% sold on Weal as a center in the NHL, and IMHO Filppula brings more to the table than he is given credit for.
I do like the long term how the blue line looks...aceept...jettison Gudas. The number of teams that need defense, we can get something more than a puck bag and some stick tape for him.

he is CORSI God. He is easily replaceable.
- rinaldo

WELL any player is replaceable but not really sure what see as problem with Raffl
He played well most of the time in the role he was assigned

Only way to win a cup is 200 foot players.
No place for an offensive threat that isnt a 200 foot player.
- opeth_pa

Nice use of sarcasm haha , but I honestly can't get how people can have an issue with Voracek he's basically been the teams best player. Yet years ago everyone was in love with Briere who also had his defensive shortcomings. Winning does a lot to blur peoples perceptions obviously

I kinda hope they lose Friday just so Hakstol does get fired. Have never really been a fan of his hiring. Maybe that will actually wake this team up too. And you are right a lot of these performances have been really bad lately makes you wonder of a lot of the guys on the team are tuning the coach out. How can you go from being so good at the start of the season to what we see now it just doesn't make much sense to me.
- FreshFlyer

Why are they tuning home out? What about hakstol don’t you like?
Are their systems screwed up?

The players on the ice need to be better. There is not enough talent. How many players on this squad are in that 24-27 yoa sweet spot? Not enough. Either over the hill or really green