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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 1:54 PM ET
If the Flyers could hypothetically trade Gudas for Maroon straight up and then Simmonds and a 1st to lets say Toronto for Nylander would you do it ?
- FreshFlyer



Remove the first and I can be persuaded.


On second thought, I may be willing to include the Blues first.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 21 @ 1:55 PM ET
Nope, I'd prefer some size along with the speed and quickness.
- MJL


What's the story on hagg? How good is this kid?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 21 @ 1:55 PM ET
If the Flyers could hypothetically trade Gudas for Maroon straight up and then Simmonds and a 1st to lets say Toronto for Nylander would you do it ?
- FreshFlyer


The value on those proposed deals are way off. Gudas is worth a lot more than Maroon, and Nylander isn't available.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 1:55 PM ET
What's the story on hagg? How good is this kid?
- Tumbleweed



Real solid player. Won't excite anybody but a solid defender with a physical edge.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Nov 21 @ 1:55 PM ET
Remove the first and I can be persuaded.
- MJL


I would love to but I doubt Toronto does the deal without the 1st involved unfortunately. If they do trade Simmonds that would be the type of player I'd hope they could acquire for him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 1:56 PM ET
I would love to but I doubt Toronto does the deal without the 1st involved unfortunately. If they do trade Simmonds that would be the type of player I'd hope they could acquire for him.
- FreshFlyer



I agree but I'm all about the Flyers first. MFGA
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 21 @ 1:56 PM ET
What's the story on hagg? How good is this kid?
- Tumbleweed


Plays a very good positional game, is deceptively strong, and can hit like a truck. Won't put up staggering offensive numbers, but looks like a young Hjalmarsson clone.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Nov 21 @ 1:57 PM ET
hes a 6 IRL
- YuenglingJagr

I'm (frank)ing fabulous
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 21 @ 1:58 PM ET
Real solid player. Won't excite anybody but a solid defender with a physical edge.
- MJL


Thanks
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 21 @ 1:58 PM ET
I'm (frank)ing fabulous
- Mordecai


You're not the kind of boy you take home to mother.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 21 @ 1:58 PM ET
Real solid player. Won't excite anybody but a solid defender with a physical edge.
- MJL



He's been a great surprise. I love the physical aspect of his game because you really didn't hear about that.

And I am loving the chemistry that him and Provorov are building. He's been fun to watch.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 21 @ 1:59 PM ET
He's been a great surprise. I love the physical aspect of his game because you really didn't hear about that.

And I am loving the chemistry that him and Provorov are building. He's been fun to watch.

- J35Bacher


I'd be hesitant to break them up when AMac returns. But he also had good chemistry with Ghost early on, too.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 21 @ 1:59 PM ET
It's like a regular umbrealla in use, but it folds "inside out" to make it easier to enter/exit vehicles and doorways (and it won't ruin your "Important Papers):



Edit: DAMN YOU DRAGONOFFROST!!!

- jmatchett383


Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 21 @ 2:00 PM ET
If the Flyers could hypothetically trade Gudas for Maroon straight up and then Simmonds and a 1st to lets say Toronto for Nylander would you do it ?
- FreshFlyer



Maroon gets in more trouble than gudas does and is prone to terribly stupid minor penalties. One the games he played vs us in 2015 he had 3 or 4 minors in the span of 1 period. It was horrendous. That being said I wouldn't absolutely hate him on the team but he also reportedly wanted a raise to around 4.5-5 a year. Yikes.

Rnh is imo extremely over rated because of his draft position. He would benefit the team immediately but long term it's another high cap hit and he would be blocking another young player.

I do believe at some point we will move a young defenseman. But it will be for a major need and a huge return I expect. I don't see any of those things on Edmonton except for drasailt and mcdavid
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 21 @ 2:02 PM ET
I'd be hesitant to break them up when AMac returns. But he also had good chemistry with Ghost early on, too.
- jmatchett383



I know.

Once MacDonald is back i think i would try this and see:

Provorov - Hagg
Manning - Gostisbehere
MacDonald - Sanheim

My hope would be maybe MacDonald could have some of that calming influence on Sanheim like with Provorov and let Sanheim be a little more aggressive.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 2:02 PM ET
He's been a great surprise. I love the physical aspect of his game because you really didn't hear about that.

And I am loving the chemistry that him and Provorov are building. He's been fun to watch.

- J35Bacher



I didn't realize he had that physical edge either. I like it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 2:03 PM ET
Maroon gets in more trouble than gudas does and is prone to terribly stupid minor penalties. One the games he played vs us in 2015 he had 3 or 4 minors in the span of 1 period. It was horrendous. That being said I wouldn't absolutely hate him on the team but he also reportedly wanted a raise to around 4.5-5 a year. Yikes.

Rnh is imo extremely over rated because of his draft position. He would benefit the team immediately but long term it's another high cap hit and he would be blocking another young player.

I do believe at some point we will move a young defenseman. But it will be for a major need and a huge return I expect. I don't see any of those things on Edmonton except for drasailt and mcdavid

- Tfaehner



Well said.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 21 @ 2:03 PM ET
In regards to Simmonds, if he has a down year, does that possibly improve his chances of staying with the Flyers?

The Flyers have signed some players to long-term deals one year before UFA on career years (Hartnell and Voracek). If Simmonds has a down year, could they maybe lock him up to a smaller deal, both term and hit wise? Instead of a long-term $6.5M deal as a 30-goal scorer, maybe they could add him to a $5M 3-year deal banking on a short-term return to form? Thoughts?
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 21 @ 2:04 PM ET
I know.

Once MacDonald is back i think i would try this and see:

Provorov - Hagg
Manning - Gostisbehere
MacDonald - Sanheim

My hope would be maybe MacDonald could have some of that calming influence on Sanheim like with Provorov and let Sanheim be a little more aggressive.

- J35Bacher


Those are what I hope Hak and Murphy roll out after AMac returns.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 21 @ 2:06 PM ET
I didn't realize he had that physical edge either. I like it.
- MJL



When he throws a hit, the guy he hits stops.

He is just a solid guy that is quietly good like Provorov just not as dynamic.

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 21 @ 2:06 PM ET
I know.

Once MacDonald is back i think i would try this and see:

Provorov - Hagg
Manning - Gostisbehere
MacDonald - Sanheim

My hope would be maybe MacDonald could have some of that calming influence on Sanheim like with Provorov and let Sanheim be a little more aggressive.

- J35Bacher


Sanheim should stay on the left side.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 21 @ 2:07 PM ET
Maroon gets in more trouble than gudas does and is prone to terribly stupid minor penalties. One the games he played vs us in 2015 he had 3 or 4 minors in the span of 1 period. It was horrendous. That being said I wouldn't absolutely hate him on the team but he also reportedly wanted a raise to around 4.5-5 a year. Yikes.

Rnh is imo extremely over rated because of his draft position. He would benefit the team immediately but long term it's another high cap hit and he would be blocking another young player.

I do believe at some point we will move a young defenseman. But it will be for a major need and a huge return I expect. I don't see any of those things on Edmonton except for drasailt and mcdavid

- Tfaehner


Yeah, the fact that he's a UFA coming off of his Edmonton success is scary. And the thing is, someone will probably pay him what he wants.

I have a friend who's a RNH fan and said that he's much better as a 2C or a really good 3C than as the main man. But with Coots/G/Patrick, I don't think that's a need we really have.

I'd be willing to take a shot on Puljujarvi, but wouldn't give what Edmonton would likely want.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 21 @ 2:08 PM ET
In regards to Simmonds, if he has a down year, does that possibly improve his chances of staying with the Flyers?

The Flyers have signed some players to long-term deals one year before UFA on career years (Hartnell and Voracek). If Simmonds has a down year, could they maybe lock him up to a smaller deal, both term and hit wise? Instead of a long-term $6.5M deal as a 30-goal scorer, maybe they could add him to a $5M 3-year deal banking on a short-term return to form? Thoughts?

- jmatchett383



A bad season would definitely help negotiations but everyone knows what he is when healthy. I would say it's either term to control cost or high cost to make up for lack of term. I still think it's Jake or Simmonds long term eventually one will be moved with the kids back filling
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 21 @ 2:13 PM ET
A bad season would definitely help negotiations but everyone knows what he is when healthy. I would say it's either term to control cost or high cost to make up for lack of term. I still think it's Jake or Simmonds long term eventually one will be moved with the kids back filling
- Tfaehner



I have a hard time seeing him taking any deal less then what Backes or Ladd got last year.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 21 @ 2:16 PM ET

- dragonoffrost


lol! I love how they make the current umbrella seem so unwieldy. It's so awful the old codger can't maintain his balance or even close a car door properly. smh

Can it core a apple?

No thanks, I'll stick with the old fashioned kind.

Were I a STH I'd tell them I'd rather they knock $25 off the cost of my tickets and they can keep the umbrella.

Also, please tell me that the gift umbrella is orange and black.
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