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Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:19 PM ET
All good man. No worries from me.

If you want a silver lining. I would bet he’s an older fellow. Just a vibe.

- flyer_nutter


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:22 PM ET
So, what is the coach’s role when it comes to Motivation?

Simply, the coach’s role is to create the environment and to provide the opportunity for the athlete to express their motivation in all that they do.
It is the coach’s role to support the athlete and encourage them to unleash their “fire” in preparation and performance.
It is the coach’s role to help athletes discover their own motivation: to find their “fire”.
It is the coach’s role to inspire athletes to feel confident in themselves and to feel empowered to let their “fire” free.
Motivation is a powerful ally for coaches and an important aspect of successful coaching.

http://wgcoaching.com/motivation-coaching/

Nah it's not Hakstols job tho to motivate his players

- Buzzo


From the same website.

"No one can motivate anyone to do anything."

Motivation and Coaching: Understanding Motivation.

Motivation is desire. It is the “fire” that fuels great performances, outstanding victories, persistence, perseverance, determination and drive.
It is the explanation for why some athletes have a winning “attitude”.
It is the rationale behind “mental-toughness”.
It is the strength and the character that allows athletes to overcome adversity, setbacks, disappointments, injuries and non-selections.
It is the seemingly endless energy driving athletes to complete even the toughest, most challenging and most exhausting workouts.
Motivation is the cornerstone of success for every great athlete and every great athletic achievement.
Coaches constantly seek the magic pill or the miracle ingredient or the breakthrough technique to motivate their athletes and it is all a waste of time: you can’t motivate anyone to do anything. And besides….motivation is not your job.


Motivation, however, comes from within. Motivation is a fire: a fire which is ignited by a dream and fuelled by passion.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:22 PM ET
So, what is the coach’s role when it comes to Motivation?

Simply, the coach’s role is to create the environment and to provide the opportunity for the athlete to express their motivation in all that they do.
It is the coach’s role to support the athlete and encourage them to unleash their “fire” in preparation and performance.
It is the coach’s role to help athletes discover their own motivation: to find their “fire”.
It is the coach’s role to inspire athletes to feel confident in themselves and to feel empowered to let their “fire” free.
Motivation is a powerful ally for coaches and an important aspect of successful coaching.

http://wgcoaching.com/motivation-coaching/




Nah it's not Hakstols job tho to motivate his players

- Buzzo


Actually it’s not. I’ve yet to see a 82 game coaches motivational manual.
There are points in a season that the coach needs to push buttons yell and break stuff but largely the players need to police themselves. It’s already been said that the coaching staff has private discussions with players. Hak looked ticked off behind the bench tonight. I don’t know if he’s the answer at coach or not but firing the coach now is a panic move imo.
flyerfan48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IL
Joined: 12.26.2008

Nov 21 @ 11:23 PM ET
I don't post much but I'm a frequent reader. You don't have to get personal just because someone's views don't match with yours. People get mad at MJL because he argues but I've never once seen him attack anyone personally. He almost always makes cogent arguments. Sure he likes to argue ad nauseam. If your opinion doesn't match with his keep it civil or just move on.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:23 PM ET
Actually it’s not. I’ve yet to see a 82 game coaches motivational manual.
There are points in a season that the coach needs to push buttons yell and break stuff but largely the players need to police themselves. It’s already been said that the coaching staff has private discussions with players. Hak looked ticked off behind the bench tonight. I don’t know if he’s the answer at coach or not but firing the coach now is a panic move imo.

- bird_dog_pa


So these past 5 games and especially tonight would not have been one of those nights?
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:24 PM ET
From the same website.

"No one can motivate anyone to do anything."

Motivation and Coaching: Understanding Motivation.

Motivation is desire. It is the “fire” that fuels great performances, outstanding victories, persistence, perseverance, determination and drive.
It is the explanation for why some athletes have a winning “attitude”.
It is the rationale behind “mental-toughness”.
It is the strength and the character that allows athletes to overcome adversity, setbacks, disappointments, injuries and non-selections.
It is the seemingly endless energy driving athletes to complete even the toughest, most challenging and most exhausting workouts.
Motivation is the cornerstone of success for every great athlete and every great athletic achievement.
Coaches constantly seek the magic pill or the miracle ingredient or the breakthrough technique to motivate their athletes and it is all a waste of time: you can’t motivate anyone to do anything. And besides….motivation is not your job.


Motivation, however, comes from within. Motivation is a fire: a fire which is ignited by a dream and fuelled by passion.

- MJL


But it does state it is also the coaches responsibility to find ways to motivate.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:26 PM ET
Actually it’s not. I’ve yet to see a 82 game coaches motivational manual.
There are points in a season that the coach needs to push buttons yell and break stuff but largely the players need to police themselves. It’s already been said that the coaching staff has private discussions with players. Hak looked ticked off behind the bench tonight. I don’t know if he’s the answer at coach or not but firing the coach now is a panic move imo.

- bird_dog_pa


Well said. A coach can only go to that well so much. If a coach needs to motivate his team to play every game then you don't have a coaching problem, you have a problem your GM needs to solve.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:27 PM ET
But it does state it is also the coaches responsibility to find ways to motivate.
- Buzzo


It clearly states in your own link that motivating players is not a coaches job.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:28 PM ET
I'm not baiting anyone. I'm just giving my opinion on the game. He came at me.


I think a coach has to have tools to work with to change things. I think he has to have scoring depth throughout a lineup rather than having one line who is giving him consistent offense. Numerous players that have been counted on for secondary offense are not producing. Players are making individual poor plays all over the ice such as Weal not getting the puck deep when the defense is changing behind the play on one goal. I didn't see a single veteran offensive that decided they were going to make a play and turn the tide. I didn't see the fight in the team. A coach needs leadership and a bridge to the players to get buy in. All the motivational speeches in the world aren't likely to change that. I'm not saying the coach is immune form criticism here, I just don't agree with giving him all the criticism and I don't agree with this idea that he didn't motivate them for the game tonight and that's the reason for how they played. If that makes me a bad guy, so be it. I understand the frustration. That effort tonight was appalling. If it continues then Hextall needs to look at the coach and decide if a a change is needed.

- MJL


We all know the players are not good enough. We all know the coach is not completely to blame. People get upset when their team sucks and they want to vent a little. I don’t think you’re a bad guy, you just need to ease up on the gas a little.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:31 PM ET
Whether or not hakstol is the problem, he hasn’t shown me at any time that he is the answer. Like Landros said, good coaches get fired, bad coaches get fired. I’m not on the top of the hill asking for hakstols head, but I wouldn’t be disappointed if he was let go either. Should anyone need to be motivated to do their job? No. But I’m pretty sure history has shown that the best leaders provided inspiration especially during the hard times. I just don’t see it in hakstol. I’m not in the locker room but that’s the vibe I get right or wrong.

Also, i missed the game tonight, but it doesn’t sound like that’s a bad thing
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:32 PM ET
We all know the players are not good enough. We all know the coach is not completely to blame. People get upset when their team sucks and they want to vent a little. I don’t think you’re a bad guy, you just need to ease up on the gas a little.
- Dkos


I like to debate. Like I said, he came at me. Thanks for the words. If the coach is not completely to blame then I'd like to see a little more criticism directed towards the players.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:33 PM ET
I don't post much but I'm a frequent reader. You don't have to get personal just because someone's views don't match with yours. People get mad at MJL because he argues but I've never once seen him attack anyone personally. He almost always makes cogent arguments. Sure he likes to argue ad nauseam. If your opinion doesn't match with his keep it civil or just move on.
- flyerfan48


I don’t really get the outrage either. Passive aggressive or not, everyone has the option of skipping posts they don’t like.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:34 PM ET
Whether or not hakstol is the problem, he hasn’t shown me at any time that he is the answer. Like Landros said, good coaches get fired, bad coaches get fired. I’m not on the top of the hill asking for hakstols head, but I wouldn’t be disappointed if he was let go either. Should anyone need to be motivated to do their job? No. But I’m pretty sure history has shown that the best leaders provided inspiration especially during the hard times. I just don’t see it in hakstol. I’m not in the locker room but that’s the vibe I get right or wrong.

Also, i missed the game tonight, but it doesn’t sound like that’s a bad thing

- funmaster18


You're right, no one including myself is convinced on Hakstol and right now the scale is tipping in the wrong direction.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:50 PM ET
It clearly states in your own link that motivating players is not a coaches job.
- MJL


Summary:

Motivation is like digging for gold: it can be difficult to find but if you persevere and persist until you find it, the rewards are immeasurable.
Coaches cannot motivate athletes: rather coaches must seek to provide the environment and opportunity for athletes to discover what it is that motivates them as individuals.
However, if coaches understand their athletes and what it is that motivates their athletes, great things are possible.

Sorry, you really try to disect everything to prove your point. Motivation/Insipration.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:51 PM ET

You're right, no one including myself is convinced on Hakstol and right now the scale is tipping in the wrong direction.
- MJL


it’s disappointing. At first I was excited about having a young new coach with experience coaching some now talented nhl players, but I haven’t seen many, if any at all, moments where I felt like yeah, Hakstol has got this team and is the reason to their success. The players have these hills and valleys in performance and effort and that goes back before Hakstol, so I don’t think Hakstol is the problem right now, but I don’t think he’s going to be the answer either.

All that being said, I was ready for another year of frustrating hockey, but thought I’d still be excited about the play of some of our younger players. Watching Couturier take the next step so far has been fun. I’d say he is the best storyline this year, along with Giroux’s resurgence.

Raffl has been disappointing. the season he looked like he was going to get one here and there. The extra lbs he put on seemed like they were going to help given him an edge
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:59 PM ET
it’s disappointing. At first I was excited about having a young new coach with experience coaching some now talented nhl players, but I haven’t seen many, if any at all, moments where I felt like yeah, Hakstol has got this team and is the reason to their success. The players have these hills and valleys in performance and effort and that goes back before Hakstol, so I don’t think Hakstol is the problem right now, but I don’t think he’s going to be the answer either.

All that being said, I was ready for another year of frustrating hockey, but thought I’d still be excited about the play of some of our younger players. Watching Couturier take the next step so far has been fun. I’d say he is the best storyline this year, along with Giroux’s resurgence.

Raffl has been disappointing. the season he looked like he was going to get one here and there. The extra lbs he put on seemed like they were going to help given him an edge

- funmaster18



I have been very dissapointed in Raffl this year regardless of what line he is playing on. He loses more puck battles then he wins, and just turns the puck over and seems to bring nothing offensively to that 4th line where he is the one who should produce some offense.

Here is the thing, HE is not getting the YOUNG talent to work with when instead he is getting the likes of Weise, Lehtera, Manning, Read, Amac to work with. Hexy needs to bring in the young guys, see what they got and see if Hakstol can work with them and start seeing progression. If he does not in the time allotted, boot his ass to the curb and find someone who can. Thats the bottom line.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 22 @ 12:28 AM ET
well i guess this is what happens when you dress too many rookie dmen
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 22 @ 7:33 AM ET
on the bright-side, elliott's gaa went down and his Sv% went up
- KINGKENZO


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 8:15 AM ET
Summary:

Motivation is like digging for gold: it can be difficult to find but if you persevere and persist until you find it, the rewards are immeasurable.
Coaches cannot motivate athletes: rather coaches must seek to provide the environment and opportunity for athletes to discover what it is that motivates them as individuals.
However, if coaches understand their athletes and what it is that motivates their athletes, great things are possible.

Sorry, you really try to disect everything to prove your point. Motivation/Insipration.

- Buzzo


"Coaches cannot motivate athletes"
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 8:17 AM ET
I have been very dissapointed in Raffl this year regardless of what line he is playing on. He loses more puck battles then he wins, and just turns the puck over and seems to bring nothing offensively to that 4th line where he is the one who should produce some offense.


- Buzzo


The Raffl I've been watching is strong on the puck and manages it well. He just hasn't produced any offense this season. He had a real nice set up last night to Laughton. It wasn't finished just like the rest of the team isn't finishing right now.
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