"B-I-N-G-O"! That's correct, Bingo.
From 1987 to 2001, the seating capacity for hockey at the Nassau Coliseum was 16,297. During that span, the Isles average yearly attendance ranged from a high of 14,589 for the 1987/88 season, down to 11,332 in the 2000/01 campaign, with 9,748 being their low for the 1999/2000 season.
Effective the 2001/02 campaign, the hockey seating capacity gradually lowered slightly to 16,170 (for only their last 3 seasons through 2015 at Nassau), prior to the move to Brooklyn. Their post 2001 average yearly attendance ranged from a high of 15,335 during that final season in Long Island, to a low of 11,059 for the 2010/11 campaign, including averaging only under 14,000 per game in attendance for a 9 seasons consecutive span among them.
All that lies the reasons for their ownership changes, & earlier possible rumors of the sale & relocation of the franchise out of New York State itself. With the renovated Nassau Coliseum's hockey seating capacity of only 13,917, a move back there would not be possible, as per the NHL's minimum 15,000 seating capacity. So it may come down to Belmont or bust, with Belmont having its pros and cons.
- RangerSaver

I don't think this is an actual thing.

But if it is an actual thing, there would be absolutely no problem with getting an exception so that a franchise could stay in the NYC media market.

Hex aquired Weise and Boyd
- THE EVIL WITHIN

And BOB is heading for his third Vezina that was Holmgren's fault pushed by Mr.Flyer himself.

Maybe some Islanders fans can chime in here:

Doesn't the local TV deal the Isles have (with MSG???) mean that attendance isn't quite so important?

And that it would be a big reason why a new owner wouldn't walk away from Brooklyn/Long Island/wherever the next arena might be?
- Atomic Wedgie

The Islanders get $30 million from MSG to broadcast their games thru 2030. So there are 30 million reasons why the owners don't want to leave the area. Also, they get $35-$50 million to play at the Barclays Center.

"B-I-N-G-O"! That's correct, Bingo.
From 1987 to 2001, the seating capacity for hockey at the Nassau Coliseum was 16,297. During that span, the Isles average yearly attendance ranged from a high of 14,589 for the 1987/88 season, down to 9,748 being their low in the 1999/2000 season.
Effective the 2001/02 campaign, the hockey seating capacity gradually lowered slightly to 16,170 (for only their last 3 seasons through 2015 at Nassau), prior to the move to Brooklyn. Their post 2001 average yearly attendance ranged from a high of 15,335 in that final season on Long Island, to a low of 11,059 for the 2010/11 campaign, including averaging only under 14,000 per game in attendance for a 9 seasons consecutive span among them.
All that lies the reasons for their ownership changes, & earlier possible rumors of the sale & relocation of the franchise out of New York State itself. With the renovated Nassau Coliseum's hockey seating capacity of only 13,917, a move back there would not be possible, as per the NHL's minimum 15,000 seating capacity. So it may come down to Belmont or bust, with Belmont having its pros and cons.
- RangerSaver

Combine this with the post i made just before this and that pretty much spells out why the attendance sucks some huge @ss

Combine this with the post i made just before this and that pretty much spells out why the attendance sucks some huge @ss
- Dedshark

What happened with that lighthouse project or what it was called

What happened with that lighthouse project or what it was called
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Charles Wang (former owner of the team) wanted to build this massive mini city basically. He was willing to pay for everything. However, when you're dealing with Nassau County...nothing gets done and they did nothing but get in the way. I do agree that the scale of what he wanted to build was WAY too much. They asked for a scaled down version but no matter what was offered...Nassau County was going to stop that from being built.

edit: keep in mind i am giving you a very very condensed story of what actually happened. There was a crap ton of going back and forth that pretty much came to nothing.

You forgot to mention the Rangers owner will be one of the owners of the building at Belmont. The Mets owners are also involved....
- kear20

That's why I said the Belmont project has its PROS (in James Dolan and Fred Wilpon, respectively), but also its CONS, regarding the physical location's immediate vicinity congestion wise as for driving, and the traffic it will create in the surrounding area for those living there. Then there's the fact that James Dolan is not going to build an arena there only to hold NHL games each calendar year for the Islanders. It would be a multi purpose arena for other sporting events, plus non sports events, such as concerts, which could affect those that for now are held at Citi Field, which is of business relation to Fred Wilpon.

Charles Wang (former owner of the team) wanted to build this massive mini city basically. He was willing to pay for everything. However, when you're dealing with Nassau County...nothing gets done and they did nothing but get in the way. I do agree that the scale of what he wanted to build was WAY too much. They asked for a scaled down version but no matter what was offered...Nassau County was going to stop that from being built.

edit: keep in mind i am giving you a very very condensed story of what actually happened. There was a crap ton of going back and forth that pretty much came to nothing.
- Dedshark

Could have been great i heard it was a TAX issue.

That's why I said the Belmont project has its PROS (in James Dolan and Fred Wilpon, respectively), but also its CONS, regarding the physical location's immediate vicinity congestion wise as for driving, and the traffic it will create in the surrounding area for those living there. Then there's the fact that James Dolan is not going to build an arena there only to hold NHL games each calendar year for the Islanders. It would be a multi purpose arena for other sporting events, plus non sports events, such as concerts, which could affect those that for now are held at Citi Field, which is of business relation to Fred Wilpon.
- RangerSaver

The Islanders probably aren't ever going to have great attendance for a multitude of reasons. Belmont could be a success if they don't build a massive (capacity-wise) arena. There figures to be public transportation available, at least, which should help things for a lot of people. Obviously navigating the Cross Island Parkway at rush hour will never be ideal, but I think it will be manageable, should the RFP be approved.

Could have been great i heard it was a TAX issue.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Local Nassau county government is/was the issue. The outgoing Nassau County Executive was arrested and indicted on corruption charges not that long ago and the former Town of Hempstead Supervisor was a braindead pig-human. Nassau is a bankrupt dumpster fire of corruption.

Could have been great i heard it was a TAX issue.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

I was a lot younger at the time. and to be honest there was so much back and forth that lead to absolutely nothing that I kind of just lost interest. I don't remember exactly what issued were brought up. Probably Tax, traffic, the size of the structures being built, etc..

Local Nassau county government is/was the issue. The outgoing Nassau County Executive was arrested and indicted on corruption charges not that long ago and the former Town of Hempstead Supervisor was a braindead pig-human. Nassau is a bankrupt dumpster fire of corruption.
- eichiefs9

damn pig-humans

damn pig-humans
- Aetherial

She is full blown bacon-backed swine

The Islanders probably aren't ever going to have great attendance for a multitude of reasons. Belmont could be a success if they don't build a massive (capacity-wise) arena. There figures to be public transportation available, at least, which should help things for a lot of people. Obviously navigating the Cross Island Parkway at rush hour will never be ideal, but I think it will be manageable, should the RFP be approved.
- eichiefs9

So not to beat a dead horse, but....

https://www.newsday.com/l...rn-to-coliseum-1.13792191

So yes, they would need to dump a lot of money into the old Coliseum to "bring it up to NHL standards."

But I'm guessing that would still be a helluva lot cheaper than building an entire new arena in Belmont.

Local Nassau county government is/was the issue. The outgoing Nassau County Executive was arrested and indicted on corruption charges not that long ago and the former Town of Hempstead Supervisor was a braindead pig-human. Nassau is a bankrupt dumpster fire of corruption.
- eichiefs9

They need to get bailed out otherwise they are never going to get out of this.

She is full blown bacon-backed swine
- eichiefs9

Careful. Coga might get hard.

So not to beat a dead horse, but....

https://www.newsday.com/l...rn-to-coliseum-1.13792191

So yes, they would need to dump a lot of money into the old Coliseum to "bring it up to NHL standards."

But I'm guessing that would still be a helluva lot cheaper than building an entire new arena in Belmont.
- Atomic Wedgie

It already failed here. After the light house project failed...the nassau county voters had a chance to vote to basically renovate the arena properly and keep the isles here...and the vote failed.

Charles Wang (former owner of the team) wanted to build this massive mini city basically. He was willing to pay for everything. However, when you're dealing with Nassau County...nothing gets done and they did nothing but get in the way. I do agree that the scale of what he wanted to build was WAY too much. They asked for a scaled down version but no matter what was offered...Nassau County was going to stop that from being built.

edit: keep in mind i am giving you a very very condensed story of what actually happened. There was a crap ton of going back and forth that pretty much came to nothing.
- Dedshark

It was the Nassau County, L.I. residents and tax payers that did not agree to have increases in their taxes of various kinds to subsidize that "Lighthouse Project", with those types of taxes already being at their highest there, especially in property taxes. Why would those who would not benefit at all from that project, want to help pay for it in key with their property taxes increased? Or why would home, apartment, and business renters through necessary higher rents alone, needed to be charged as a result, want to have these increased costs to pay for that project?

So not to beat a dead horse, but....

https://www.newsday.com/l...rn-to-coliseum-1.13792191

So yes, they would need to dump a lot of money into the old Coliseum to "bring it up to NHL standards."

But I'm guessing that would still be a helluva lot cheaper than building an entire new arena in Belmont.
- Atomic Wedgie

Seating capacity-wise, yes they would be able to up the number of seats (if I recall they left the ability to retrofit an addt'l 2k seats).

But the real problem is that the concourse still remains as only one circular level and that's it. It used to be so horrifically congested in there between periods and before/after games that it almost seemed like it were a fire hazard. The bathroom lines would hilariously just cut horizontally through the concourse, to add some additional challenges of getting around. There wasn't even half as many bathrooms as they needed to accommodate everyone. When Tavares scored 15 seconds into OT against the Capitals in the '15 playoffs, I was standing outside waiting in line for a port-a-potty. I left to go to the bathroom before the overtime intermission.

They did add a walkway around the top of the lower bowl, which would help a little, but I think the same congestion problems would still exist because the arena is just poorly laid out for large crowds.

They could add the seating they may need, but the problem lies in that it would be the same old Coliseum with the same old problems, just some new paint and a stupid slinky-looking facade.

It was the Nassau County, L.I. residents and tax payers that did not agree to have increases in their taxes of various kinds to subsidize that "Lighthouse Project", with those types of taxes already being at their highest there, especially in property taxes. Why would those who would not benefit at all from that project, want to help pay for it in key with their property taxes increased? Or why would home, apartment, and business renters through necessary higher rents alone, needed to be charged as a result, want to have these increased costs to pay for that project?
- RangerSaver

If I recall, the tax increase would have been about $75/year for residents.

It was their right to vote it down, but I'll bet you dollars-to-donuts that all the people that voted it down will be pissing and moaning when that site becomes a vacant, run-down dump that they don't want to look at and are still paying for in some capacity.

Sanheim and a first for JVR. NO WAY IN HELL.

Sanheim and a first for JVR. NO WAY IN HELL.
- MJL

Too late - Ek already agreed to it.

ok catching my breathe here... no seriously...



Ok ok... gotta breathe...



Gotta be kidding me... is it April Fools again so soon?

The Islanders probably aren't ever going to have great attendance for a multitude of reasons. Belmont could be a success if they don't build a massive (capacity-wise) arena. There figures to be public transportation available, at least, which should help things for a lot of people. Obviously navigating the Cross Island Parkway at rush hour will never be ideal, but I think it will be manageable, should the RFP be approved.
- eichiefs9

Besides that disaster in traffic in the Cross Island Parkway leading to the main East to West arteries like the LIE, Northern and Southern State Parkways, Northern Blvd., etc., how about all the basic streets through the local & private surrounding neighborhoods, that drivers will use as alternate routes to avoid first, that Cross Island Parkway? An arena built in Belmont that would hold multi events on a year round basis, isn't like passing Belmont Park Race Track while on that Cross Island Pkwy., where events are held at a minimum year round in contrast, with the 3rd horse race of the Triple Crown in the "Belmont Stakes", being the number one.

Too late - Ek already agreed to it.
- Atomic Wedgie

Has the league office and Board of Governors been notified?