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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 20 @ 8:18 AM ET
I don't know if bill updated his blog after the back read but he says amac won't be ready to play this week. With gudas out 10 I think it's a perfect time to get Morin 2 or 3 until amac comes back.

Pederson needs to stop outsmarting himself. Run the ball. First half he was sooo predictable throw, 2nd down draw up the middle, pass. 2nd half he got back to it and we go 30 unanswered Nd win. Receivers didn't help by dropping 3 or 4 of them and wentz made 3 or 4 awful throws but the play calling was terrible. Bright side was he actually made the adjustment something previous coaches never could and we whooped butt the 2nd half. Elliot potential concussion is obviously a big deal maybe Sturgis is ready and we can hand it back to him ?

- Tfaehner


According to Eagles beats, Sturgis should be ready and is eligible to come off IR this week. Hopefully, Elliot is fine, can pass the concussion protocol and just return to his job, but if not, they at least have another solid kicker ready to go.

Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 20 @ 8:19 AM ET
Perhaps some Anger Management classes for Gudas during his break??

Also, if AMac isn't good to go this week, then either demote Alt or waive Read and lets get Morin in the lineup. Time to see what this kid can do against the big boys.

On another topic, as ugly as that first half was last night, big props to the Eagles D for keeping it a 2 point game. Glad to see Pederson get back to the ground and pound game in the 2nd half and just run the ball right down the cowpukes throat. That was beautiful to watch!! Also, you know you have a special player at QB when on an off night, he still goes out and throws two TD passes with no turnovers. This team is for real. If they can go out west and just split the 2 road games with Seattle and LA, they should be going into that last game with Dallas 13-2 and will likely have the 1st seed locked up.

Eagles top NFC seed, Wentz probably the MVP and Pederson Coach of the Year. C'mon, who saw that coming this season?

- BiggE


You're forgetting roseman for executive of the year.

I know a lot of people want a pa Superbowl but I'm routing for the jaguars just for someone new out the afc
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 8:28 AM ET
10 games is ridiculous..
I'm sorry.
I thought 5 would have been good but 10 is a joke

- opeth_pa


He forcefully chopped a player in the head with a large blunt object. Intentional or not, that's the kind of player that can kill a player or put them into a coma. No issue at all with the suspension. I would have doubled it.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 20 @ 8:31 AM ET
He forcefully chopped a player in the head with a large blunt object. Intentional or not, that's the kind of player that can kill a player or put them into a coma. No issue at all with the suspension. I would have doubled it.
- jmatchett383


If there was injury I would bet on 20 25. My hope is the team plays so well without him he never comes back
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 8:31 AM ET
According to Eagles beats, Sturgis should be ready and is eligible to come off IR this week. Hopefully, Elliot is fine, can pass the concussion protocol and just return to his job, but if not, they at least have another solid kicker ready to go.
- BiggE


He shouldn't be allowed to kick anything under 50 yards. Dude sure can nail a 63-yarder with room to spare, but can't knock down 35 yarders.

How many backup D linemen do we really need? Can we afford 1 spot for a backup kicker out of 53 players?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 8:32 AM ET
If there was injury I would bet on 20 25. My hope is the team plays so well without him he never comes back
- Tfaehner


And what would it have been if the guy was laying unconscious on a breather in the hospital right now?

Ruling on result is possible the dumbest thing about the DOPS, and that's saying something.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 20 @ 8:36 AM ET
And what would it have been if the guy was laying unconscious on a breather in the hospital right now?

Ruling on result is possible the dumbest thing about the DOPS, and that's saying something.

- jmatchett383


Fair points. But I've also been on team negative with gudas for a while now. Now this just makes me want him gone permanently.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 20 @ 8:37 AM ET
He shouldn't be allowed to kick anything under 50 yards. Dude sure can nail a 63-yarder with room to spare, but can't knock down 35 yarders.

How many backup D linemen do we really need? Can we afford 1 spot for a backup kicker out of 53 players?

- jmatchett383

Elliot has been money. This is a big loss.

Sturgis on the other hand...
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 20 @ 8:40 AM ET
You're forgetting roseman for executive of the year.

I know a lot of people want a pa Superbowl but I'm routing for the jaguars just for someone new out the afc

- Tfaehner


Yup, Howie too!

I don't really care who comes out of the AFC as long as isn't the (frank)ing Pats. (frank) those cheaters and their pretty boy QB! I just want to see an Eagles championship before I croak!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 8:41 AM ET
Fair points. But I've also been on team negative with gudas for a while now. Now this just makes me want him gone permanently.
- Tfaehner


I'd be fine with him going somewhere else, the dude can be a liability at times. When he keeps his head he's effective, but he's prone to making bone-headed plays a bit too much for my liking.

I just hate that the health of the player as a result of the infraction is taken into account. For example: If you throw a flying elbow at an unsuspecting player (hi James Neal), the suspension should be the same whether the player dies or shows no ill effects: you still committed the same infraction. That's why attempted murder carries the same sentence as murder.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 20 @ 8:41 AM ET
He shouldn't be allowed to kick anything under 50 yards. Dude sure can nail a 63-yarder with room to spare, but can't knock down 35 yarders.

How many backup D linemen do we really need? Can we afford 1 spot for a backup kicker out of 53 players?

- jmatchett383


You could probably swing carrying 2 kickers for one game if they really need to, but the depth of the D line is one of this teams greatest strengths and I really wouldn't want to sit any of them.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 8:44 AM ET
Elliot has been money. This is a big loss.

Sturgis on the other hand...

- Giroux_Is_God


He's 17/21 for the season and all of his misses have been under 40 yards. He's also missed 3 extra points over the past 3 games including last night. For whatever reason, he's not good on short kicks.

Edit: He missed 2 FG over 40. But still, that makes him 3/5 for FG under 40 yards with 3 missed extra points on 28 attempts (89%). That shouldn't happen nowadays.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 8:46 AM ET
You could probably swing carrying 2 kickers for one game if they really need to, but the depth of the D line is one of this teams greatest strengths and I really wouldn't want to sit any of them.
- BiggE


Okay. I would just assume that, on any given game day, there are 5-10 players who don't play a single snap. If so, I would give one of those to an extra kicker. It didn't bite them last night, but if a game came down to a field goal to tie/win the game, I'd rather have Sturgis than a 3rd string linebacker trying one.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
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Nov 20 @ 8:52 AM ET
I'd be fine with him going somewhere else, the dude can be a liability at times. When he keeps his head he's effective, but he's prone to making bone-headed plays a bit too much for my liking.

I just hate that the health of the player as a result of the infraction is taken into account. For example: If you throw a flying elbow at an unsuspecting player (hi James Neal), the suspension should be the same whether the player dies or shows no ill effects: you still committed the same infraction. That's why attempted murder carries the same sentence as murder.

- jmatchett383


That's not actually true. I'm pretty sure no one has ever been executed for attempted murder. However, I do agree with your point in general. I think any type of egregious hit should be a long suspension whether the player that was hit is injured or not. However, if the player is injured and has not been able to return to action by the time the suspension ends, the NHL should have the option to hold an additional hearing at that point with the potential to extend the suspension for the same amount of games.

In another words, say Gudas had injured the guy and got 15 games. If the injured player is still out after Gudas serves the 15, the league could order another hearing and the suspension could be extended up to 15 games.

Start handing out these types of suspensions with loss of pay and you just might see most of this crap stop.

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 20 @ 8:56 AM ET
Okay. I would just assume that, on any given game day, there are 5-10 players who don't play a single snap. If so, I would give one of those to an extra kicker. It didn't bite them last night, but if a game came down to a field goal to tie/win the game, I'd rather have Sturgis than a 3rd string linebacker trying one.
- jmatchett383


Actually, just about every eligible player plays some snaps other than the backup QB. The deep reserves at LB and in the defensive backfield all play on special teams and the backup offensive lineman usually see some snaps on field goals and extra points. It's pretty rare to have more than 1 or 2 guys that don't play at all and with the amount of injuries in football, it's a risk to leave yourself short anywhere. Again, you can get away with for a game if you have to, but most coaches hate doing it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 8:56 AM ET
That's not actually true. I'm pretty sure no one has ever been executed for attempted murder. However, I do agree with your point in general. I think any type of egregious hit should be a long suspension whether the player that was hit is injured or not. However, if the player is injured and has not been able to return to action by the time the suspension ends, the NHL should have the option to hold an additional hearing at that point with the potential to extend the suspension for the same amount of games.

In another words, say Gudas had injured the guy and got 15 games. If the injured player is still out after Gudas serves the 15, the league could order another hearing and the suspension could be extended up to 15 games.

Start handing out these types of suspensions with loss of pay and you just might see most of this crap stop.

- BiggE


I don't think you can be executed, but you can still get 25 to life for attempted murder.

I just don't think that the player's health or lack thereof should have any bearing. The intent to cause harm should be the only thing taken into account.

Again, intentional or not (I don't believe it was 100% intentional or unintentional), he forcefully swung a blunt object at the head of a player on the ice. How his punishment is sitting at home for 10 games is beyond me. That hit was more vicious (but less intentional) that what McSorely did to Brashear, just with a different result.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Nov 20 @ 8:58 AM ET
Actually, just about every eligible player plays some snaps other than the backup QB. The deep reserves at LB and in the defensive backfield all play on special teams and the backup offensive lineman usually see some snaps on field goals and extra points. It's pretty rare to have more than 1 or 2 guys that don't play at all and with the amount of injuries in football, it's a risk to leave yourself short anywhere. Again, you can get away with for a game if you have to, but most coaches hate doing it.
- BiggE


Okay. Granted, I'm not expert on football, I just figured that you could go from a 53-man roster to a 52-man roster and not see any significant change for a game or 2.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 20 @ 9:01 AM ET
I don't think you can be executed, but you can still get 25 to life for attempted murder.

I just don't think that the player's health or lack thereof should have any bearing. The intent to cause harm should be the only thing taken into account.

Again, intentional or not (I don't believe it was 100% intentional or unintentional), he forcefully swung a blunt object at the head of a player on the ice. How his punishment is sitting at home for 10 games is beyond me. That hit was more vicious (but less intentional) that what McSorely did to Brashear, just with a different result.

- jmatchett383


Yeah, but intent does matter. The law draws a big difference between losing your cool, punching someone and having that person fall from the blow, strike their head and die as compared to cold blooded, pre meditated murder. That's why you have involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter and multiple degrees of murder that you can charge someone with. What McSorely did was an intentional attempt to severely injure someone. What Gudas did was lose control of emotions and act like an idiot. I think 10-12 games is about right for this incident.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 20 @ 9:04 AM ET
Okay. Granted, I'm not expert on football, I just figured that you could go from a 53-man roster to a 52-man roster and not see any significant change for a game or 2.
- jmatchett383


It's not 53, by NFL rules, you can only dress 46 players. The other 7 players on the roster must be deactivated.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 20 @ 9:08 AM ET
It's not 53, by NFL rules, you can only dress 46 players. The other 7 players on the roster must be deactivated.
- BiggE



If Elliot isn't 100% I would absolutely dress Sturgis with him and sit a guy like Marcus Johnson. Our defense thrives off rotations and wouldn't mess with that
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 20 @ 9:09 AM ET
He's 17/21 for the season and all of his misses have been under 40 yards. He's also missed 3 extra points over the past 3 games including last night. For whatever reason, he's not good on short kicks.

Edit: He missed 2 FG over 40. But still, that makes him 3/5 for FG under 40 yards with 3 missed extra points on 28 attempts (89%). That shouldn't happen nowadays.

- jmatchett383


2 of those missed extra point FGs were in terrible conditions against the 49ers; I let those slide. And he was also injured last night.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 20 @ 9:13 AM ET
If Elliot isn't 100% I would absolutely dress Sturgis with him and sit a guy like Marcus Johnson. Our defense thrives off rotations and wouldn't mess with that
- Tfaehner


If Elliot isn't 100%, I'd carry both on my 53 man roster, but I'd just deactivate Elliot for a game and go with Sturgis. I'm not going to waste an active roster spot on a 2nd kicker.
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 20 @ 9:15 AM ET
If Elliot isn't 100%, I'd carry both on my 53 man roster, but I'd just deactivate Elliot for a game and go with Sturgis. I'm not going to waste an active roster spot on a 2nd kicker.
- BiggE


Not to completely overlook a team, but we face Chicago. I don’t think we need a 2nd kicker spot for such a team. Hell we looked good on 4th down against Dallas last night
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 20 @ 9:19 AM ET
Not to completely overlook a team, but we face Chicago. I don’t think we need a 2nd kicker spot for such a team. Hell we looked good on 4th down against Dallas last night
- arichardson22



Chicago has different strengths weaknesses. Chicago has a studly defense but no offense outside Howard. Dallas has no d but a good offense.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 20 @ 9:21 AM ET
Chicago has different strengths weaknesses. Chicago has a studly defense but no offense outside Howard. Dallas has no d but a good offense.
- Tfaehner

you sure about that?
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