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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 1:48 AM ET
Interesting how you interpreted that but there was no blame assigned on Pouliot for loss. I hoped he didn't get drawn out for Tanev because last two games he was directly tied to game losing goals. Gagner is only ripe for taking a seat for perspective.

As for refs they botched the call. As 4-2 in the 3rd would probably not have allowed the Blues to tie it.

Sedins played well enough with Jake and he almost got a goal knocked off line by AP. A D type hopefully Canucks draft one day. LE had his best game of the season. So yeah they have big contracts and you want more but it is what it is. At least this coach is willing to curtail their deployment when they are not doing well.

- Nuck4U

Too tired to argue . How many points for the Sedins.

St Louis player touched the puck get over it whistle blown.

Million dollar players do not cost you the game
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 19 @ 1:48 AM ET
It's not even just the points. They are minus players.
Daniel 8 points, 3 on the powerplay, 5 ES points but he's a -6. He's been on for 11 GA and 5 GF
Henrik 7 points, 1 on the PP, 6 ES points. -6. Been on the ice for 12 goals GA and 6 GF.

Virtanen and Burmy both have less points but are both plus players.

Production doesn't matter if they are going to cost you the game even if they score.

- manvanfan

True! If you look at their zone starts I think it's up around 70% in the offensive zone too, they just can't keep up with today's game anymore.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:50 AM ET
You know, you're probably right, they could replace them, however, the contract situation gets in the way this year. Next year will be a breath of fresh air with them gone.

Great players in their day, but it's time to hang em up!

- LeftCoaster

Yeah it's just a wait things. Which is fine, like you said gives other younger players another year of development.

This team was better without the Sedin's when they were off in China. Add in the triple B's and some better D.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:53 AM ET
True! If you look at their zone starts I think it's up around 70% in the offensive zone too, they just can't keep up with today's game anymore.
- LeftCoaster

You have to hinder other players because of them now. I loved watching the Sedin's for 16 years or so but now the game just isn't there. Stand up guys who have done a ton for the franchise and the fan base.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 19 @ 1:53 AM ET
Too tired to argue . How many points for the Sedins.

St Louis player touched the puck get over it whistle blown.

Million dollar players do not cost you the game

- VANTEL



The whistle wasn't blown as the Blues didn't have possession. The refs said it was a hand pass by a Canuck and called back the goal.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:55 AM ET
The whistle wasn't blown as the Blues didn't have power possession. The refs said it was a hand pass by a Canuck and called back the goal.
- Nuck4U

Does grabbing onto the puck constitute as a change of possession?
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 19 @ 1:56 AM ET
I really hate to keep bringing it up but


Seriously it is not the fault of the million dollar fill ins.

The twins are on their last year , Eriksson sucks accept the losses and wait until next year

- VANTEL

if I’m understanding correctly every game that is a loss you base the blame on the highest paid individuals, if there are 4 players making a combined 25 million a year then it’s their fault. The other 18-19 players are absolved of any criticism?

I can’t agree with this thought process, it’s a team game regardless of what guys get paid. The talent of the team is really poor from a $700,000 player to a $7,000,000 player. There are some bright spots in there, but overall the team talent sucks.

It is well documented that you do not like the Sedins, but they are but one problem with the team, goal tending, defense, lack of physical presence, pressuring the opposition, terrible coaching decisions.

So yes it is the fault of the million dollar fill ins, and the 3 million dollar fill ins, and the 5 million dollar fill ins, and the 7 million dollar fill ins, plus suspect coaching decisions, team game.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:56 AM ET
Good bye Daniel
https://twitter.com/ryanb...status/932056830653603841

Good bye Henrik
https://twitter.com/ryanb...status/932007008005373953
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 19 @ 1:59 AM ET
Hutton had a bad bad game. Gudbranson has a great hit on schenn but basically just drives forwards to the outside and attempts to play the puck out up the boards every shift. Biega tries hard but has pretty bad hockey sense. MDZ has been ok. Edler... my god. Pouliot has been incredibly shaky the last 2 games. Cant get around that
- Codes1087


If Canucks want to be a contender they need to have a similar D to the Blues. At least one that gets shots not muffins on net. Gets involved in O zone play. Plays hard on the man and gets sticks on pucks in D zone.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 2:01 AM ET
if I’m understanding correctly every game that is a loss you base the blame on the highest paid individuals, if there are 4 players making a combined 25 million a year then it’s their fault. The other 18-19 players are absolved of any criticism?

I can’t agree with this thought process, it’s a team game regardless of what guys get paid. The talent of the team is really poor from a $700,000 player to a $7,000,000 player. There are some bright spots in there, but overall the team talent sucks.

It is well documented that you do not like the Sedins, but they are but one problem with the team, goal tending, defense, lack of physical presence, pressuring the opposition, terrible coaching decisions.

So yes it is the fault of the million dollar fill ins, and the 3 million dollar fill ins, and the 5 million dollar fill ins, and the 7 million dollar fill ins, plus suspect coaching decisions, team game.

- Makita


My point is now if Daniel is up around 20-25 pts right now and Hank is up to 20-25 pts and Eriksson is up 20 -25 pts then that is 40-55 points and we are not lookinging at fourth liners to blame with our 40-55 points that should have been put up by the top paid players. Do you know how many more victories Canucks would have this year with those extra points.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 2:02 AM ET
Utica the tale of two teams. Promising note. CHATFIELD GOT AN ASSIST! Vantel you're boy is going to make the team and replace Biega.

POM POMS POM POMS
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 19 @ 2:03 AM ET
My wife came home from work. Woke me to tell me she had to stay the night. I turned the television on to see OT going on. DP on the ice. Then Schenn score. I had guessed a 4-3 game tonight too. Wrong team won though.

I did guess the Canucks would go 3-5-2 on the second set of 10 games. 6-3-1 to 9-8-3.

Pouliot is a fine 3rd pairing D.

- manvanfan


Your premonition was close as it could have been 4-3 Nucks game ends in regulation with no OT. But the refs had other ideas....oh well.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 2:06 AM ET
Montreal, Victor Mete went from playing 1st pairing to playing 13 minutes a game. Drouin isn't a center. It's like trying to plug a leaky dam with duck tape.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 2:07 AM ET
Your premonition was close as it could have been 4-3 Nucks game ends in regulation with no OT. But the refs had other ideas....oh well.
- Nuck4U

I didn't get to see any of the game except the Schenn OT goal.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 19 @ 2:07 AM ET
The real issue is the organization lacks the depth they require to actually be as competitive as some want them to be, or facinate that they can be. The broader picture says there's a generational gap from the Gillis years which is why there's no kids currently ready to compete for an NHL job.

Benning is trying to fix that gap but the guy can only do so much in a short timeframe, more of his picks will be ready next year, maybe, and more the year after.

- LeftCoaster


Who stole your account over there...?!? This post is actually reasonable and objective in analysis and must agree.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 19 @ 2:08 AM ET
Hard to put a first pairing out there when you don't have one available to you, gotta play the hand you're dealt.
- LeftCoaster


Exactly
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Nov 19 @ 2:12 AM ET
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 2:21 AM ET
Exactly
- Codes1087


DP TOI this season.
STL 18:05 (loss)
VGK 19:07 (loss)
LAK 15:56 (win)
SJS 22:52 (Loss)
ANA 20:55 (loss)
CGY 16:15 (win)
DET 18:13 (loss)
PIT 12:49 (win)
NJD 18:06 (loss)
DAL 17:33 (loss)
WSH 15:36 (win)
MIN 13:48 (win)
DET 13:54 (win)
BUF 15:48 (win)
BOS 19:18 (loss)
OTT 13:39 (win)
CGY 17:42 (loss)
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 19 @ 2:24 AM ET
Your premonition was close as it could have been 4-3 Nucks game ends in regulation with no OT. But the refs had other ideas....oh well.
- Nuck4U

Oh for fcuk sake, the team sucks, but hey let’s blame the refs
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 2:32 AM ET
Oh for fcuk sake, the team sucks, but hey let’s blame the refs
- Makita

#bettmanhatesus
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 19 @ 2:32 AM ET
DP TOI this season.
STL 18:05 (loss)
VGK 19:07 (loss)
LAK 15:56 (win)
SJS 22:52 (Loss)
ANA 20:55 (loss)
CGY 16:15 (win)
DET 18:13 (loss)
PIT 12:49 (win)
NJD 18:06 (loss)
DAL 17:33 (loss)
WSH 15:36 (win)
MIN 13:48 (win)
DET 13:54 (win)
BUF 15:48 (win)
BOS 19:18 (loss)
OTT 13:39 (win)
CGY 17:42 (loss)

- manvanfan


Your obsessed with his short comings lol. I agree hes not a number 1 or 2 or 1st pairing dman. I personally think hes better than biega gudbranson stecher. Why are still going over this, move on man
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 19 @ 2:39 AM ET
My point is now if Daniel is up around 20-25 pts right now and Hank is up to 20-25 pts and Eriksson is up 20 -25 pts then that is 40-55 points and we are not lookinging at fourth liners to blame with our 40-55 points that should have been put up by the top paid players. Do you know how many more victories Canucks would have this year with those extra points.
- VANTEL

Yes I do know how you are looking at things....I look at things a little differently, team game, team blame.

It’s time for the Sedins to retire, but it’s also time for suitable replacements, but the group they have isn’t there yet. Another year of struggles and things will hopefully be better.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 2:44 AM ET
Your obsessed with his short comings lol. I agree hes not a number 1 or 2 or 1st pairing dman. I personally think hes better than biega gudbranson stecher. Why are still going over this, move on man
- Codes1087

It's pretty simple

1. You were posting about how great his corsi stats are. I thought it was okay that I posted my own stats on him.

2. Seen it in the past where Stecher and Hutton played higher pairings and started and faded once the honey moon was over.

3. You keep talking about it, I respond. That's allowed.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 19 @ 2:44 AM ET
I love how some people look at individual dmen, or players in general for every loss, and its the same people who expext this team to win on a nightly basis. To sum it up for you, lines 2 through 4 are all less than average in the league, this is bad. All 3 d pairings, by league comparison, are less than average. We have no true number 1 goalie but instead 2 career backups. We have a rookie head coach, rookie defensive coach, and a old bag of bones running the PP. The entire team sucks, is going to continue to suck, get over it.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 19 @ 2:47 AM ET
It's pretty simple

1. You were posting about how great his corsi stats are. I thought it was okay that I posted my own stats on him.

2. Seen it in the past where Stecher and Hutton played higher pairings and started and faded once the honey moon was over.

3. You keep talking about it, I respond. That's allowed.

- manvanfan


Re read. I said the entire d pairings suck, no matter who plays what minutes, the team still blows. Why youre singling out DP to me is in question. Get over him and the concept of winning with this team man. You constantly voice your displeasure with losing, while the team is bad. They arent winning anything more than a lottery pick.
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