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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 12:48 AM ET
What about botched call on Canucks goal called back in 3rd they wouldn't have lost it in OT.

Only good thing about this loss is TG can change line up. Like Gagner not covering for pass to Edmunson on tying goal. Plus no offensive impact by Gagner should be reason enough to sit next game.

Pouliot may get yanked for a couple break downs. Letting game winning goals last two games. Tanev drawing in. But I hope it's Biega sitting out instead.

- Nuck4U

Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 19 @ 12:53 AM ET

- VANTEL


What's so funny to you... you can do better then that....
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 19 @ 12:56 AM ET
While i have been a huge pouliot fan, him and Edler are an awful first pairing d pair. Getting exposed by time by high scoring teams
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 19 @ 12:58 AM ET
While i have been a huge pouliot fan, him and Edler are an awful first pairing d pair. Getting exposed by time by high scoring teams
- Codes1087

They both looked very shaky tonight. Hutton and Guddy not too bad jury was out on MDZ tonight. Biega is as Biega does...
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 12:58 AM ET
What's so funny to you... you can do better then that....
- Nuck4U


I find it ridiculous when people blame 3 rd and 4 th stringers for losses

Here is an interesting stat

Namestnikov earning 1.975 mil this year has 9 goals 20 pts

Sedin Sedin Eriksson who make 20.2 mil have 5 goals 19 pts

But lets blame the refs and Pouliot
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Nov 19 @ 1:03 AM ET
I find it ridiculous when people blame 3 rd and 4 th stringers for losses

Here is an interesting stat

Namestnikov earning 1.975 mil this year has 9 goals 20 pts

Sedin Sedin Eriksson who make 20.2 mil have 5 goals 19 pts

But lets blame the refs and Pouliot

- VANTEL

Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 19 @ 1:03 AM ET
They both looked very shaky tonight. Hutton and Guddy not too bad jury was out on MDZ tonight. Biega is as Biega does...
- LordHumungous


Hutton had a bad bad game. Gudbranson has a great hit on schenn but basically just drives forwards to the outside and attempts to play the puck out up the boards every shift. Biega tries hard but has pretty bad hockey sense. MDZ has been ok. Edler... my god. Pouliot has been incredibly shaky the last 2 games. Cant get around that
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 19 @ 1:06 AM ET
Hutton had a bad bad game. Gudbranson has a great hit on schenn but basically just drives forwards to the outside and attempts to play the puck out up the boards every shift. Biega tries hard but has pretty bad hockey sense. MDZ has been ok. Edler... my god. Pouliot has been incredibly shaky the last 2 games. Cant get around that
- Codes1087

Other than Hutton's brain fart shots over the glass he skated the puck out of the zone quite a few times tonight but yeah still a liability. I don't expect a lot of finesse from Guddy but he gets by.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 19 @ 1:07 AM ET
I find it ridiculous when people blame 3 rd and 4 th stringers for losses

Here is an interesting stat

Namestnikov earning 1.975 mil this year has 9 goals 20 pts

Sedin Sedin Eriksson who make 20.2 mil have 5 goals 19 pts

But lets blame the refs and Pouliot

- VANTEL

That's not good value??lol
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 1:10 AM ET
That's not good value??lol
- LordHumungous



I really hate to keep bringing it up but


Seriously it is not the fault of the million dollar fill ins.

The twins are on their last year , Eriksson sucks accept the losses and wait until next year
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:18 AM ET
While i have been a huge pouliot fan, him and Edler are an awful first pairing d pair. Getting exposed by time by high scoring teams
- Codes1087

My wife came home from work. Woke me to tell me she had to stay the night. I turned the television on to see OT going on. DP on the ice. Then Schenn score. I had guessed a 4-3 game tonight too. Wrong team won though.

I did guess the Canucks would go 3-5-2 on the second set of 10 games. 6-3-1 to 9-8-3.

Pouliot is a fine 3rd pairing D.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 19 @ 1:20 AM ET
I really hate to keep bringing it up but


Seriously it is not the fault of the million dollar fill ins.

The twins are on their last year , Eriksson sucks accept the losses and wait until next year

- VANTEL

The real issue is the organization lacks the depth they require to actually be as competitive as some want them to be, or facinate that they can be. The broader picture says there's a generational gap from the Gillis years which is why there's no kids currently ready to compete for an NHL job.

Benning is trying to fix that gap but the guy can only do so much in a short timeframe, more of his picks will be ready next year, maybe, and more the year after.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 1:21 AM ET
My wife came home from work. Woke me to tell me she had to stay the night. I turned the television on to see OT going on. DP on the ice. Then Schenn score. I had guessed a 4-3 game tonight too. Wrong team won though.

I did guess the Canucks would go 3-5-2 on the second set of 10 games. 6-3-1 to 9-8-3.

Pouliot is a fine 3rd pairing D.

- manvanfan

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:24 AM ET
The real issue is the organization lacks the depth they require to actually be as competitive as some what them to be, or facinate that they can be. The broader picture says there's a generational gap from the Gillis years which is why there's no kids currently ready to compete for an NHL job.

Benning is trying to fix that gap but the guy can only do so much in a short timeframe, more of his picks will be ready next year, maybe, and more the year after.

- LeftCoaster

As soon as some of the players that are hampering the team are gone. Replaced with youth and more speed. Talking about the Sedin's. I think the team can even get by with Eriksson and Vanek as long as they have players to play with.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 19 @ 1:33 AM ET
My wife came home from work. Woke me to tell me she had to stay the night. I turned the television on to see OT going on. DP on the ice. Then Schenn score. I had guessed a 4-3 game tonight too. Wrong team won though.

I did guess the Canucks would go 3-5-2 on the second set of 10 games. 6-3-1 to 9-8-3.

Pouliot is a fine 3rd pairing D.

- manvanfan


I think he is a fine 2nd pairing d man as well. I dont think edler is a 1st pairing and neither is DP so its not surprising they struggled. MDZ stecher hutton gudbranson DP are all 2nd pair or worse at best. Tonight was just lipstick on a pig so to speak.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 1:34 AM ET
I think he is a fine 2nd pairing d man as well. I dont think edler is a 1st pairing and neither is DP so its not surprising they struggled. MDZ stecher hutton gudbranson DP are all 2nd pair or worse at best. Tonight was just lipstick on a pig so to speak.
- Codes1087

LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 19 @ 1:34 AM ET
As soon as some of the players that are hampering the team are gone. Replaced with youth and more speed. Talking about the Sedin's. I think the team can even get by with Eriksson and Vanek as long as they have players to play with.
- manvanfan

Even if the Sedins were gone this year there isn't anyone in the organization available to take their spots, realistically, I mean some kids could, but they're not really ready so there's no point in rushing them.

Next year some young guys will have another year of development under their belts and hopefully fill the gap left by them leaving.

The great part is the teams best young players, Horvat, Boeser & Baertschi, are all young themselves so there won't be much of a gap between their ages. They can all hit their stride around the same time and hopefully be really competitive in five years or so.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:37 AM ET
Even if the Sedins were gone this year there isn't anyone in the organization available to take their spots, realistically, I mean some kids could, but they're not really ready so there's no point in rushing them.

Next year some young guys will have another year of development under their belts and hopefully fill the gap left by them leaving.

The great part is the teams best young players, Horvat, Boeser & Baertschi, are all young themselves so there won't be much of a gap between their ages. They can all hit their stride around the same time and hopefully be really competitive in five years or so.

- LeftCoaster

No, this year there really isn't. Don't really know if any two players with some sort of skill but can skate would do better. Burmy and Virtanen could probably replace them .
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 19 @ 1:41 AM ET
No, this year there really isn't. Don't really know if any two players with some sort of skill but can skate would do better. Burmy and Virtanen could probably replace them .
- manvanfan


The Sedins skill this year can easily be replaced. they are on pace for 30 pts

Finding 60 pt players probably wont happen but I think Canucks can find 60 pts somewhere.

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:41 AM ET
I think he is a fine 2nd pairing d man as well. I dont think edler is a 1st pairing and neither is DP so its not surprising they struggled. MDZ stecher hutton gudbranson DP are all 2nd pair or worse at best. Tonight was just lipstick on a pig so to speak.
- Codes1087

Edler isn't a 1st pairing. Just because you play it doesn't matter you are capable. If they want to play Edler-Poo are a second pairing. Fine. The team still hasn't won a game if DP has played more then 16:15 in a game. The more he plays the more (frank) ups he has. Limit the times he can mess up and the team will be fine.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 19 @ 1:41 AM ET
No, this year there really isn't. Don't really know if any two players with some sort of skill but can skate would do better. Burmy and Virtanen could probably replace them .
- manvanfan

You know, you're probably right, they could replace them, however, the contract situation gets in the way this year. Next year will be a breath of fresh air with them gone.

Great players in their day, but it's time to hang em up!
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 19 @ 1:43 AM ET
Edler isn't a 1st pairing. Just because you play it doesn't matter you are capable. If they want to play Edler-Poo are a second pairing. Fine. The team still hasn't won a game if DP has played more then 16:15 in a game. The more he plays the more (frank) ups he has. Limit the times he can mess up and the team will be fine.
- manvanfan


With tanev out, someone has to eat the minutes. You have 6 dman, all incapable of defending other teams top lines, what do you expect. You think giving biega, gudbranson, stecher, or hutton more than 17 minutes is going to make us win more than giving DP more than 16 or whatever number you said
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 19 @ 1:44 AM ET
I find it ridiculous when people blame 3 rd and 4 th stringers for losses

Here is an interesting stat

Namestnikov earning 1.975 mil this year has 9 goals 20 pts

Sedin Sedin Eriksson who make 20.2 mil have 5 goals 19 pts

But lets blame the refs and Pouliot

- VANTEL


Interesting how you interpreted that but there was no blame assigned on Pouliot for loss. I hoped he didn't get drawn out for Tanev because last two games he was directly tied to game losing goals. Gagner is only ripe for taking a seat for perspective.

As for refs they botched the call. As 4-2 in the 3rd would probably not have allowed the Blues to tie it.

Sedins played well enough with Jake and he almost got a goal knocked off line by AP. A D type hopefully Canucks draft one day. LE had his best game of the season. So yeah they have big contracts and you want more but it is what it is. At least this coach is willing to curtail their deployment when they are not doing well.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:47 AM ET
The Sedins skill this year can easily be replaced. they are on pace for 30 pts

Finding 60 pt players probably won't happen but I think Canucks can find 60 pts somewhere.

- VANTEL

It's not even just the points. They are minus players.
Daniel 8 points, 3 on the powerplay, 5 ES points but he's a -6. He's been on for 11 GA and 5 GF
Henrik 7 points, 1 on the PP, 6 ES points. -6. Been on the ice for 12 goals GA and 6 GF.

Virtanen and Burmy both have less points but are both plus players.

Production doesn't matter if they are going to cost you the game even if they score.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 19 @ 1:47 AM ET
With tanev out, someone has to eat the minutes. You have 6 dman, all incapable of defending other teams top lines, what do you expect. You think giving biega, gudbranson, stecher, or hutton more than 17 minutes is going to make us win more than giving DP more than 16 or whatever number you said
- Codes1087

Hard to put a first pairing out there when you don't have one available to you, gotta play the hand you're dealt.
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