I see differences for sure.

- Vet ice time has decreased/varied much more (especially the Sedins).
- The line combos are part Sedin (again) and also not having great talent to choose from. TG has stated he looks to set pairs, so Sedins, Horvat + Baert, Sutter + DD, Ganger + Vanek seem to be them. The other parts are the rotating ones.
- Short leash, I'm guessing JV takes up most of that. It's easy for us from the outside to look down and say that, but we don't know what he's saying to them in meetings and practice, and what they're not delivering on.

The last one sort of goes along the lines of the development. We talk about how much JV has changed over the last year in his development with Utica, but TG was treating him the same down there when he was making those strides. It's just under a larger spotlight up here as they're both in the (sh!t)show now.
- NewYorkNuck

Flagged, i expect more hysteria out of you.

Old archive on Bertuzzi, careful how you tread Vancouver.


- VanHockeyGuy

This is awesome.

So we're going to turn virtanan into bertuzzi... I can live with that.

Whenever you think Benning's a genius - remember that he's had 3 top-6 draft-picks and started with the Sedins, Horvat, more money to spend, and a city players want to play in - and Vegas still put together a better team out of everyone else's scraps!

And, Vegas wasn't even trying to put together a decent team! They were trying to tank.

Oh yeah, and they have a prospect-pool that's about the same as our's.

I was pretty open minded on Green, particularly because he was being widely regarded as a good developer. So far though I see minimal difference between him and Willie in regards to: a go-to goalie, reliance on vets, poor line combinations, and short leash for kids
- WhiteLie

I wasn't open minded about Green. I was pissed that the novice president and the novice GM picked another novice head coach and doing that without doing one, single interview.
Now we have Willie 2.0. and the worst poster on all of HockeyBuzz.

Fagged

Show some respect please
- Pres.cup

Like wise.

I liked Green at first but I agree with Marwood , Trevor probably slapped his wrist

@ NewyorkNuck

Great post There is a huge difference between Willie's deployment and Green. Just rediculous

I wasn't open minded about Green. I was pissed that the novice president and the novice GM picked another novice head coach and doing that without doing one, single interview.
Now we have Willie 2.0. and the worst poster on all of HockeyBuzz.
- Marwood

fair point

If given the choice to shuffle lines, Gagner definitely needs to watch a game or two from the pressbox. Vanek might be invisible for stretches, but he's still producing. Gaunce, Granlund, Gagner could all sit if you want to give others a chance IMO
- WhiteLie

Gagner just needs to be surrounded with the right talent on the PP which we technically don't have. But maybe now if Green can get Gagner off the point on the PP and use him properly down low and on the half-wall things might change.

Vanek is what Vanek does...he'll just quietly get his 50 points and move on...scratching him makes no sense with our talent pool.

Gaunce and Burmi need to sit for sure. I expected more from Burmi but like Gagner...needs to be surrounded with the right players he will not produce on his own like some. We may need to come to the realization that Gaunce will be no more than a career AHL'er or a defensive 4th liner. Do we try Gaunce on the third line to see? Not sure Green has that much confidence in him as it appeared Green liked Gaunce in Utica...but not so much here in Van. Time will tell.

I see differences for sure.

- Vet ice time has decreased/varied much more (especially the Sedins).
- The line combos are part Sedin (again) and also not having great talent to choose from. TG has stated he looks to set pairs, so Sedins, Horvat + Baert, Sutter + DD, Ganger + Vanek seem to be them. The other parts are the rotating ones.
- Short leash, I'm guessing JV takes up most of that. It's easy for us from the outside to look down and say that, but we don't know what he's saying to them in meetings and practice, and what they're not delivering on.

The last one sort of goes along the lines of the development. We talk about how much JV has changed over the last year in his development with Utica, but TG was treating him the same down there when he was making those strides. It's just under a larger spotlight up here as they're both in the (sh!t)show now.

Edit: though, to be fair, I haven't fully watched the last couple games due to the late starts. From all accounts it seems like they're trending back to WD games. I'll give TG some more slack as we're just under 1/4 of the way through, but you have to wonder if the past three coaches have been doing similar things, if it's not them but what they're working with more so. I do agree with the Markstrom and DD points, though.. tough to sit on those!
- NewYorkNuck

The vet ice time decreasing I think has a lot to do with Sedin decline and Bo-Boeser incline. Comparisons are tough but I cant fathom with how poorly the twins have been, that Willie would have them leading in icetime.

Line combinations, I think he has handled JV fine. I'd like him to not sit, but he was with the twins so he was being given opportunity. It's Granlund and Gagner's use that bother me most so far. I think Gagner is being over used and Granlund isnt getting the opportunity that utilizes his skillset best.

I think the short leash has been mentioned by several around here: Boeser sat after a mistake, JV in the pressbox for mediocre effort; yet several vets have brought poor efforts and still get PP time. I understand why, but its exactly what Willie did with Bo, JV, Tryamkin, etc.

Whenever you think Benning's a genius - remember that he's had 3 top-6 draft-picks and started with the Sedins, Horvat, more money to spend, and a city players want to play in - and Vegas still put together a better team out of everyone else's scraps!

And, Vegas wasn't even trying to put together a decent team! They were trying to tank.

Oh yeah, and they have a prospect-pool that's about the same as our's.
- stringerbell

Thanks stringer, you're a welcome change to the monotony around here, I also love the depth that Vegas has, so many top draft picks, right?

I wasn't open minded about Green. I was pissed that the novice president and the novice GM picked another novice head coach and doing that without doing one, single interview.
Now we have Willie 2.0. and the worst poster on all of HockeyBuzz.
- Marwood

Stringer, dragon or 4U?

Like wise.
- Marwood

Damn it... auto correct

Fixed

I wasn't open minded about Green. I was pissed that the novice president and the novice GM picked another novice head coach and doing that without doing one, single interview.
Now we have Willie 2.0. and the worst poster on all of HockeyBuzz.
- Marwood

Stringer, dragon or 4U?
- Pres.cup

ME!!

I wasn't open minded about Green. I was pissed that the novice president and the novice GM picked another novice head coach and doing that without doing one, single interview.
Now we have Willie 2.0. and the worst poster on all of HockeyBuzz.
- Marwood

I didnt like that part either, but once he was hired I was willing to see what he could do. So far, I like the changes in pace and playing style, but he is also making a lot of decisions that Willie has made

ME!!
- A_SteamingLombardi

Well... of course, but i thought we were excluding children?

Gagner just needs to be surrounded with the right talent on the PP which we technically don't have. But maybe now if Green can get Gagner off the point on the PP and use him properly down low and on the half-wall things might change.

Vanek is what Vanek does...he'll just quietly get his 50 points and move on...scratching him makes no sense with our talent pool.

Gaunce and Burmi need to sit for sure. I expected more from Burmi but like Gagner...needs to be surrounded with the right players he will not produce on his own like some. We may need to come to the realization that Gaunce will be no more than a career AHL'er or a defensive 4th liner. Do we try Gaunce on the third line to see? Not sure Green has that much confidence in him as it appeared Green liked Gaunce in Utica...but not so much here in Van. Time will tell.
- LordHumungous

Agreed, which is why I was criticizing Green's line combinations. I think there is a right mix in there somewhere but he has locked in a few lines that makes it difficult. I think Gagner might pair better as a playmaker to a straight line player like Virtanen, who also has size and speed

The vet ice time decreasing I think has a lot to do with Sedin decline and Bo-Boeser incline. Comparisons are tough but I cant fathom with how poorly the twins have been, that Willie would have them leading in icetime.

Line combinations, I think he has handled JV fine. I'd like him to not sit, but he was with the twins so he was being given opportunity. It's Granlund and Gagner's use that bother me most so far. I think Gagner is being over used and Granlund isnt getting the opportunity that utilizes his skillset best.

I think the short leash has been mentioned by several around here: Boeser sat after a mistake, JV in the pressbox for mediocre effort; yet several vets have brought poor efforts and still get PP time. I understand why, but its exactly what Willie did with Bo, JV, Tryamkin, etc.
- WhiteLie

This is what irks me. If you preach consistency then stand by your words and be consistent when 'teaching a lesson'.

I didnt like that part either, but once he was hired I was willing to see what he could do. So far, I like the changes in pace and playing style, but he is also making a lot of decisions that Willie has made
- WhiteLie

I must admit that I conceded to that as well.

This is what irks me. If you preach consistency then stand by your words and be consistent when 'teaching a lesson'.
- Marwood

You guys are assuming you have all the facts. How do you know JV isn't dogging it in practice? Maybe Gagner is killing it in practice? You don't what goes on behind the scenes.

I must admit that I conceded to that as well.
- Marwood

What choice did we have?

You guys are assuming you have all the facts. How do you know JV isn't dogging it in practice? Maybe Gagner is killing it in practice? You don't what goes on behind the scenes.
- CanuckDon

Well, we know our goalies dog it for the 1st period of games.

You guys are assuming you have all the facts. How do you know JV isn't dogging it in practice? Maybe Gagner is killing it in practice? You don't what goes on behind the scenes.
- CanuckDon

everybody knows that linden in consultation with the sedins makes the ice time/roster decisions and aquilini makes the draft picks.
#facts

You guys are assuming you have all the facts. How do you know JV isn't dogging it in practice? Maybe Gagner is killing it in practice? You don't what goes on behind the scenes.
- CanuckDon

If Virtanen is dogging it at practice then he should be sent to Utica.
If Ganer is killing it at practice and then humping the pooch during the game then he should watch a game or 2 from the press box.