hamilton got the bruins a first and 2 seconds
hamonic got a first and 2 2nds


at most Kane gets a late first and a blah prospect


sabres are not looking to get another scandella, a better player
- homiedclown

I'm not saying Scandella has been some kind of superhero, but I don't have a single goddamn problem with him, either.

We would in all likelihood be trading for a guy with more upside than scandella. or at least more defensive or offensive upside than scandella (larsson, schmaltz etc.)

Im guessing when all is said and done it'll probably just be picks
- Sabresfan-365

I get it
Of course Larsson has more upside...
but he could also just top out as a “Scandella”

Hopefully whatever defenseman we get will turn into a “top pair” guy
Bc if not,
sounds like we will lose this trade

I'm not saying Scandella has been some kind of superhero, but I don't have a single goddamn problem with him, either.
- Der Kaiser

scandella-risto/player x
guhle-risto/player x

I'm not saying Scandella has been some kind of superhero, but I don't have a single goddamn problem with him, either.
- Der Kaiser

most dogs either walk in front, or stumble behind when on a leash

my dog remains 1 foot on my right or left side

hamilton got the bruins a first and 2 seconds
hamonic got a first and 2 2nds


at most Kane gets a late first and a blah prospect


sabres are not looking to get another scandella, a better player
- homiedclown

I hear the sabres have been "catching " quite a few chicago wolves games. Shared ahl team blues /vegas

So then how do u explain,
that even though he gets so much more offensive zone starts...
he still gives up more goals every year than the others he plays with?

Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
I’d think the guys with more defensive zone starts should be giving up more goals
- jdfitz77

The difference here isnt by 10 or 20 its literally a few goals which can be explained by the fact that he isnt a defensive d-man and as an offensive guy is far more likely to jump up in the rush. and again we're talking less than 5% difference in zone starts and maybe a difference of a few goals.


A better example here would be Ghost. He got like 10% less dzone starts than any other flyers d-man and was still on the ice for nearly twice as many goals against vs for. That's someone who can't play defence.

hamilton got the bruins a first and 2 seconds
hamonic got a first and 2 2nds


at most Kane gets a late first and a blah prospect


sabres are not looking to get another scandella, a better player
- homiedclown

Makes sense...
I’d just be more comfortable if we were getting a guy we KNEW was a better player (like Lindholm) and not a prospect we HOPE will become a better player

There’s been A LOT of really good defensive prospects who never lived up to what they were supposed to be
Guys like Bogosian come to mind

It’s just a lot to give up if the guy we trade for doesn’t become a stud

I get it
Of course Larsson has more upside...
but he could also just top out as a “Scandella”

Hopefully whatever defenseman we get will turn into a “top pair” guy
Bc if not,
sounds like we will lose this trade
- jdfitz77

It's good value for a guy who is out the door. You only lose this trade if you're stuck with a bad contract or let him walk for nothing. All other outcomes at least give you something of value, even if it's just futures and saving yourself from a bad contract.

The difference here isnt by 10 or 20 its literally a few goals which can be explained by the fact that he isnt a defensive d-man and as an offensive guy is far more likely to jump up in the rush. and again we're talking less than 5% difference in zone starts and maybe a difference of a few goals.


A better example here would be Ghost. He got like 10% less dzone starts than any other flyers d-man and was still on the ice for nearly twice as many goals against vs for. That's someone who can't play defence.
- Sabresfan-365

The disparity happens every year though
For me...
that’s more than enough to not want to give Shatty that huge contract

I’m interested in Carlson though
He’s not like Shattenkirk offensively,
but he can play defense

I saw the stats u posted for this year on him, but I bet he also gets the tough defensive assignments
And I’d bet his numbers have been better in the past as well

Just watching the 2 play,
u can tell Carlson is much better defensively than Shattenkirk

The disparity happens every year though
For me...
that’s more than enough to not want to give Shatty that huge contract

I’m interested in Carlson though
He’s not like Shattenkirk offensively,
but he can play defense

I saw the stats u posted for this year on him, but I bet he also gets the tough defensive assignments
And I’d bet his numbers have been better in the past as well

Just watching the 2 play,
u can tell Carlson is much better defensively than Shattenkirk
- jdfitz77

Orlov/niskanen get them. Carlson paired with Djoos

It's good value for a guy who is out the door. You only lose this trade if you're stuck with a bad contract or let him walk for nothing. All other outcomes at least give you something of value, even if it's just futures and saving yourself from a bad contract.
- Sabresfan-365

I don’t look at it that way at all

I look at it as not getting max return for a good player
Maybe bc of the off ice stuff we just weren’t gonna get the type of return I’d like though?

But I think it sucks to kinda “sell low” on Kane

I’d rather just sign him & see if Sam + can get something done

most dogs either walk in front, or stumble behind when on a leash

my dog remains 1 foot on my right or left side
- homiedclown

Elsa the spaniel's instinct is to work out in front of me, hoping to flush something. She is always hoping some effing pheasant or something is hiding somewhere in my neighbors' lawns.

She's only 7 months old, but I don't need a leash for her any more. If she gets too far out or when a car is coming I just whistle fast, and she comes right back.

When we play with the tennis ball out back, if she loses track of it in the air she knows to turn around and look at me. I can send her right, left, or further back just by pointing, and yelling "Hunt."

The new thing I'm teaching her is to lie down and be still when geese are overhead. When I hear them honking I just say "Geese up, Elsa" and she's starting to get it, a little.

I don’t look at it that way at all

I look at it as not getting max return for a good player
Maybe bc of the off ice stuff we just weren’t gonna get the type of return I’d like though?

But I think it sucks to kinda “sell low” on Kane

I’d rather just sign him & see if Sam + can get something done
- jdfitz77

maybe im just glass half full

for the 9th time

ducks
kings
devils
islanders


- homiedclown

I was hoping that there would be a longer list, so we could start a good ole fashioned bidding war.

Orlov/niskanen get them. Carlson paired with Djoos
- Sabresfan-365

Is that just for this year?

Because I remember Carlson being paired with Niskanen in the past

Orlov/niskanen get them. Carlson paired with Djoos
- Sabresfan-365

Every time they say his name, I feel like they are using a nickname for him.

Is that just for this year?

Because I remember Carlson being paired with Niskanen in the past
- jdfitz77

Last year was much more spread out. Alzner, orlov, niskanen and carlson kinda all saw similar competition and zone starts.

Makes sense...
I’d just be more comfortable if we were getting a guy we KNEW was a better player (like Lindholm) and not a prospect we HOPE will become a better player

There’s been A LOT of really good defensive prospects who never lived up to what they were supposed to be
Guys like Bogosian come to mind

It’s just a lot to give up if the guy we trade for doesn’t become a stud
- jdfitz77

Vatanen comes up a lot
maybe bigger trade includes young winger

I was hoping that there would be a longer list, so we could start a good ole fashioned bidding war.
- thatsapickle

those are teams with serious offers that fits the sabres needs


they are not looking for picks, if they can avoid it

maybe im just glass half full
- Sabresfan-365

Hahaha... Fair enough

I guess we will just have to see what happens

We should be talking to Edmonton, Vancouver & Vegas
They all have dumb ass GMs

Fasching + a pick for Nurse, Juolevi or Theodore

I know, not happening...
but those guys have been known to make some REALLY bad decisions

Elsa the spaniel's instinct is to work out in front of me, hoping to flush something. She is always hoping some effing pheasant or something is hiding somewhere in my neighbors' lawns.

She's only 7 months old, but I don't need a leash for her any more. If she gets too far out or when a car is coming I just whistle fast, and she comes right back.

When we play with the tennis ball out back, if she loses track of it in the air she knows to turn around and look at me. I can send her right, left, or further back just by pointing, and yelling "Hunt."

The new thing I'm teaching her is to lie down and be still when geese are overhead. When I hear them honking I just say "Geese up, Elsa" and she's starting to get it, a little.
- Der Kaiser

sounds like she is working out well


I go through a dozen frisbees a month with my dog

6 words

nylander
mittelstadt
baptiste
pu
asplund
davidsson


I heard they are looking for a 2/3 d man that will make an impact long term
- homiedclown

I understand the target and why that's what we need, just surprised at the price to acquire. Defenders are more expensive but Kane and Bailey, to me, is a stiff, stiff price. No wonder these young defenders never get moved.

maybe im just glass half full
- Sabresfan-365

wtf.

Vatanen comes up a lot
maybe bigger trade includes young winger
- homiedclown

Vatanen is a 2nd pair guy imo
So I hope we don’t give up Kane + “Bailey” for him

GMTM should’ve just traded that damn Nylander pick for Fowler

wtf.
- Der Kaiser

i've always been glass half full with this team long term, at least compared to 95% of the ppl who post here.

Just cause I didnt jump on the bylsma is the reason we're not a 95 point team bandwagon doesn't mean im not optimistic about the future especially with a new GM in charge.