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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 14 @ 5:40 PM ET
The hero we deserve
- Mordecai

It's spelled gyro
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 14 @ 5:45 PM ET
So noble
- Giroux_Is_God


i am an unapologetic leighton supporter.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 14 @ 5:46 PM ET
The hero we deserve
- Mordecai


you're not a hero when you simply do what you think is right and believe in.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Nov 14 @ 5:47 PM ET
Not all heroes wear capes
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Nov 14 @ 5:54 PM ET
you're not a hero when you simply do what you think is right and believe in.
- hammarby31

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villan.
Bonerfide69
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Nov 14 @ 5:54 PM ET
Yet they're only three games out of first
- Scoob
Well the upcoming Division games is worrisome especially against Dev and Rags they have already won the third and fourth line battle because Hak is putting a scrub like Weasel against speed stickhandling and physicality
Bonerfide69
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Nov 14 @ 5:59 PM ET
Well the upcoming Division games is worrisome especially against Dev and Rags they have already won the third and fourth line battle because Hak is putting a scrub like Weasel against speed stickhandling and physicality

- Bonerfide69

You forgot Waffel Raffl
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 14 @ 6:03 PM ET
LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!

- ggunky


bump
Bonerfide69
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Nov 14 @ 6:03 PM ET
Well the upcoming Division games is worrisome especially against Dev and Rags they have already won the third and fourth line battle because Hak is putting a scrub like Weasel against speed stickhandling and physicality

- Bonerfide69

Did you forget back reading Billy's blog whines is a second line superstar now Keith Jones is a scrub compared to that horse mule.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 6:04 PM ET
Yay, I'm already kinda sleepy and we play the Wild tonight. Oh joy
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 6:05 PM ET
i am an unapologetic leighton supporter.
- hammarby31

Well, if you can't be a Leighton, at least you can be a Leighton supporter
Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HI
Joined: 11.03.2015

Nov 14 @ 6:08 PM ET
Do the flyers score tonight?
Does a defenseman pot one?
Does Sanheim get his first NHL goal?
Does someone other than the ginger line score?
Does Simmonds wake up?
Do the Flyers keep Zucker off of the scoresheet?

- Pixote Andolini

Maybe
probable
potential
possible
hopeful
plausible



Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 14 @ 6:12 PM ET
I watched some video on Martel after all the hype. I don't see his game translating all that well. He didn't particularly impress me with his skating and he took risks that would be going the other way in the nhl a lot. He benefits from the lack of structure in the ahl he would be largely contained in a tight checking game. This is why it's hard for me to trust box scores or stat lines. My best comparison is that he's a smaller slower poor man's tk.
- Tfaehner


5'8 160 lbs vs 5'10 185 lbs is a pretty sizable difference. Weal is also a better skater imo. But yes I had some similar reservations. Weal still has not proven to be a consistent nhl player he could just as easily be a fringe guy again by contract end.
- Tfaehner


Not sure what video you just watched, but I've seen him plenty over the years. I agree that whether he can play an NHL structured game and be competent in his own end is the major thing, but we can't know that until we see it. The Phantoms are unstructured in general. Meanwhile, most of the Flyers roster can't even score in a loose checking game, let alone a tight one. There is a place in the NHL for speed and skill and risk-taking and rush oriented play. In fact, it's a burgeoning demand. It's funny how those attributes actually can break open tight checking games.

Martel is also very fast, so I'm not sure at all where that's coming from. I think he has the same speed up-ice as TK. Weal is pretty average as a skater with speed IMO; it's an issue. He won't blow past anyone. What he is is smart gaining the zone and shifty in it. Martel is 100% faster than him and probably by a decent amount. And he's not 160lbs. I just don't believe it. That's what he was weighed at years ago in the Q. He's really well-built if you see him in pictures. I'd wager to say he's 170-175 if measurements were properly done today. Pound for pound he handles himself and works his ass off.
Bonerfide69
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Nov 14 @ 6:12 PM ET
Well, if you can't be a Leighton, at least you can be a Leighton supporter
- BiggE

He did some incredible saves using his size all those SOFT 5 holers ruined his career here.
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Nov 14 @ 6:25 PM ET
i am an unapologetic leighton supporter.
- hammarby31


I'm stoked to see him here. I'm sure he will end up getting in some Roadrunners games. Would shake his hand.
Bonerfide69
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Nov 14 @ 6:28 PM ET
Not all heroes wear capes
- Giroux_Is_God

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 14 @ 6:33 PM ET
I'm stoked to see him here. I'm sure he will end up getting in some Roadrunners games. Would shake his hand.
- FloHaake


i don't see why he can't get a shot with the coyotes...it's not like they're solid in goal yet.
FloHaake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tucson, AZ
Joined: 11.09.2006

Nov 14 @ 6:49 PM ET
i don't see why he can't get a shot with the coyotes...it's not like they're solid in goal yet.
- hammarby31


I'm pullin for him. That team is such a mess it's kinda sad. Leighton is an upgrade over both guys in the minors.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 14 @ 7:03 PM ET
Not sure what video you just watched, but I've seen him plenty over the years. I agree that whether he can play an NHL structured game and be competent in his own end is the major thing, but we can't know that until we see it. The Phantoms are unstructured in general. Meanwhile, most of the Flyers roster can't even score in a loose checking game, let alone a tight one. There is a place in the NHL for speed and skill and risk-taking and rush oriented play. In fact, it's a burgeoning demand. It's funny how those attributes actually can break open tight checking games.

Martel is also very fast, so I'm not sure at all where that's coming from. I think he has the same speed up-ice as TK. Weal is pretty average as a skater with speed IMO; it's an issue. He won't blow past anyone. What he is is smart gaining the zone and shifty in it. Martel is 100% faster than him and probably by a decent amount. And he's not 160lbs. I just don't believe it. That's what he was weighed at years ago in the Q. He's really well-built if you see him in pictures. I'd wager to say he's 170-175 if measurements were properly done today. Pound for pound he handles himself and works his ass off.

- Mononoke

Absolutely! Martel plays bigger than his size and has some nasty in his game. He reminds me a bit of Danny Briere in that respect. All the guy does is score goals, haven't we all been wanting a shoot first kind of guy? I'd much rather be giving this kid a shot than watching Weise fumble the puck and accomplish nothing.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 14 @ 7:08 PM ET
Absolutely! Martel plays bigger than his size and has some nasty in his game. He reminds me a bit of Danny Briere in that respect. All the guy does is score goals, haven't we all been wanting a shoot first kind of guy? I'd much rather be giving this kid a shot than watching Weise fumble the puck and accomplish nothing.
- BiggE


He's too small to inject into this lineup. You want your 3rd and 4th lines to have size you see?

Might as well not waste a pick on the smaller guys if you aren't going to play them, in a rebuild year.

If you dont want Martel you have others to choose from, hell even Colic Mac. Club loves its zombies. All this roles talk is dinosaur thinking, again not keeping up with league trends.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Nov 14 @ 7:11 PM ET
Sanheim goal tonight , Flyers win 2-1
Bonerfide69
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Nov 14 @ 7:17 PM ET
Nice goal Evander Kane would be a hit on some of the BAD lines flyers have.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 14 @ 7:18 PM ET
Did you forget back reading Billy's blog whines is a second line superstar now Keith Jones is a scrub compared to that horse mule.
- Bonerfide69

I have no idea WTH you're doing.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 14 @ 7:19 PM ET
He's too small to inject into this lineup. You want your 3rd and 4th lines to have size you see?

Might as well not waste a pick on the smaller guys if you aren't going to play them, in a rebuild year.

If you dont want Martel you have others to choose from, hell even Colic Mac. Club loves its zombies. All this roles talk is dinosaur thinking, again not keeping up with league trends.

- flyer_nutter

Some team is going to have to win with a small line up to break that trend.

It's never happening IMO.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 14 @ 7:23 PM ET
Some team is going to have to win with a small line up to break that trend.

It's never happening IMO.

- mayorofangrytown


I dont advocate for a small team. I advocate for a team with generally the most skilled players, and a heavy focus on overall skating/speed.

Flyers chose to invest in these smaller skilled players. If you wont play them, especially when you have a choice of benching Weise/Lehtera then dont bother drafting them.

I'd love for one of the media guys to ask the rationale for making the above decision. Flyers play Konec, Ghost and Weal, I'd say they are helping them win more than not.
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